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To: aristeides
He didn't use the Germans as an example in Carnage and Culture, perhaps because they fit the western example.
He did touch on the fact that war between two cultures
that were of the shock battle mindset tend to be even more
horrific.

Just finished Applebaum's History of the Gulag and in the
closing chapter she touches on a similar theme, that because
the russians and even we americans refuse to remember history, ie the camp/gulag we are putting ourselves and our decendents in a position to allow it to happen again.

"For if we forget the gulag, sooner or later we will find it hard to understand our history too. Why did we fight the cold war, after all? Was it because of crazed right-wing politicians, in cahoots with the military-industrial
complex and the CIA, invented the whole thing and forced two generations of Americans and West Europeans to go along with it? Or was there something more important happening?
Confusion is already rife. In 2002, an article in the conservative Brithish Spectator magaxine opined that the Could War was "one of the most unnecessary conflicts of all time." The American writer Gore Vidal has also described the battles of the Cold War as, forty years of mindless wars which created a debt of $5 trillion."

Already we are forgetting what it was that mobilized us, that inspired us, what held the civilization of the"the west" together for so long: we are forgetting what it was
we were fighting against. If we do not try harder to remember the history of the other half of the European continent, in the end it is we in the West who will not understand our past, we who will not know how our world came to be the way it is."
45 posted on 05/26/2003 9:27:11 AM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: tet68
Exactly correct tet, Hanson mentions in Carnage and Culture that when Western Cultures battled with each other, the results were indeed horific.

What a great book is Carnage and Culture...I find myself refering to it often. Having been educated in science, I managed to miss most of what Hanson writes about so well.
54 posted on 05/26/2003 10:01:46 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: tet68
Confusion is already rife. In 2002, an article in the conservative Brithish Spectator magaxine opined that the Could War was "one of the most unnecessary conflicts of all time

Would you have link for this article, or the name of the author?
99 posted on 05/27/2003 4:49:58 AM PDT by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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