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Britain finds Iraq's 'smoking gun': a top-secret missile
The Sunday Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 05/25/03 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 05/24/2003 4:31:22 PM PDT by Pokey78

British military officers have uncovered an attempt by Saddam Hussein to build a missile capable of hitting targets throughout the Middle East, including Israel, The Telegraph can reveal.

Plans for the surface-to-surface missile were one of the regime's most closely-guarded secrets and were unknown to United Nations weapons inspectors. Its range of 600 miles would have been far greater than that of the al-Samoud rocket - which already breached the 93-mile limit imposed by the UN on any Iraqi missiles.

Saddam's masterplan for the new missile, which was being developed by Iraq's Military Industrialisation Commission (MIC), the body responsible for weapons procurement, constitutes the most serious breach uncovered so far of the tight restrictions imposed on Iraq's military capability after the 1991 Gulf war. The range of Saddam's missiles was restricted to prevent him from using them as a delivery system for weapons of mass destruction.

David Kay, the former United Nations weapons inspector responsible for dismantling Iraq's nuclear weapons programme in the 1990s, said the British discovery proved that Saddam had no intention of complying with UN requirements.

"This is the smoking gun we have been looking for," he said. "We have known all along that Saddam was desperate to develop a delivery system for his mass destruction weapons, and this missile would undoubtedly have given him that capability."

Details of Saddam's secret missile programme were discovered by British weapons experts after interviews with several former senior officials of the MIC.

Gen Mudh'her Sadeq Sabe'a, the head of missile technology at the MIC, was in charge of the development programme, which began in 1999. Once a week Gen Mudh'her and Abdul Tawib Mulla Hawish, the minister responsible for the MIC, would travel to the presidential palace in Baghdad to deliver a progress report to Saddam, who is said to have taken a keen personal interest in the project.

Mr Hawish surrendered to coalition forces shortly after the war and has provided British officials with a detailed breakdown of Saddam's plans to manufacture the weapon.

The rocket motor was to be built at the Abu Ghraib military base, the main fuselage at al-Waziriyah and the navigation system at al-Taji. "We had finished the research stage and entered the development stage," said a senior Iraqi engineer who worked at the MIC and is now co-operating with British officials. "If it had not been for the war, development would have been completed within a year."

Iraqi officials insist that the missile was intended to carry a conventional warhead, but British weapons experts believe it could easily have been adapted to carry chemical or biological weapons.

The Iraqis say that the missile's main purpose would have been to protect Iraq from attack by neighbouring countries. However, it could also have been used to attack Israel. During the Gulf war Saddam launched Soviet-made Scud missiles at targets in Israel.

The discovery of the plans for Saddam's secret missile programme is being hailed as a significant breakthrough by coalition commanders, who have so far failed to find any convincing evidence of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programme.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; illegalweapons; iraq; iraqifreedom; missiles; missle; saddamhussain; smokinggun; warlist
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To: Dog Gone
Part of the accords and agreement Iraq made, was not to build missles past a certain range, it might be 90 miles, but I am not sure. If they have this missle or were planning to make one that exceeded the range they were allowed, then they broke there agreement.

Now granted, our official cause for war was not just that they broke the agreement, but that they broke it and we specified developed WMD.

If you remember Powells presentation to the UN, he talked about the tubes that were being used and the illegal lenght or range of Iraq in developing missles. The Scuds they have could hit and had hit Israel during gulf war one, and was one of the things they needed to get rid of. This they obviousley did not do, since they fired them at Kuwait on at least one occasion during this war, some idiot liberals used the argument that as long as it couldn't go past a certain range, then the scud is legal, however, then it wouldn't be a scud, it would be something else.

21 posted on 05/24/2003 5:32:01 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Cagey; Dog Gone
Plans are not "Smoking Guns" as the dumb headline from this paper implies.

UN Resolution 687

8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of: (a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities; (b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;

9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above, the following:

(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;
(b) The Secretary-General, in consultation with the appropriate Governments and, where appropriate, with the Director-General of the World Health Organization, within forty-five days of the passage of the present resolution, shall develop, and submit to the Council for approval, a plan calling for the completion of the following acts within forty-five days of such approval:
(i) The forming of a Special Commission, which shall carry out immediate on-site inspection of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities, based on Iraq's declarations and the designation of any additional locations by the Special Commission itself;
(ii) The yielding by Iraq of possession to the Special Commission for destruction, removal or rendering harmless, taking into account the requirements of public safety, of all items specified under paragraph 8 (a) above, including items at the additional locations designated by the Special Commission under paragraph 9 (b) (i) above and the destruction by Iraq, under the supervision of the Special Commission, of all its missile capabilities, including launchers, as specified under paragraph 8 (b) above; (iii) The provision by the Special Commission of the assistance and cooperation to the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency required in paragraphs 12 and 13 below;

10. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally undertake not to use, develop, construct or acquire any of the items specified in paragraphs 8 and 9 above and requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Special Commission, to develop a plan for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with this paragraph, to be submitted to the Security Council for approval within one hundred and twenty days of the passage of this resolution;


22 posted on 05/24/2003 5:35:10 PM PDT by AndrewC (mote and beam)
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To: Sonny M
There were plenty of reasons to invade Iraq, and this was one of them, although we didn't even know about this program at the time.

I am bothered by the fact that we haven't found any WMD even though we've found evidence of the programs to produce them. It would be nice to find a few. We haven't even found any SCUDs, and nobody is talking about that.

I think eventually we will learn that Iraq shipped everything somewhere before the UN inspectors came back late last year. Total cleanout. They knew Bush was serious, and they weren't going to take the slightest chance of detection.

The question is where the stuff is.

23 posted on 05/24/2003 5:39:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
The question is where the stuff is.

Uday'll know.

24 posted on 05/24/2003 5:41:09 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
It definitely is a smoking gun of a deliberate program to violate weapons restrictions. The importance of that should not be missed.

But it's still not a WMD. And until we find better proof of that than we have so far, the critics will still be making noise.

25 posted on 05/24/2003 5:43:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CyberAnt; MadIvan
I agree. They had plenty of time while the UN Sec. Council was bickering.

26 posted on 05/24/2003 5:44:27 PM PDT by cgk (It is liberal dogma that human life is an accident - Linda Bowles (r.i.p.))
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To: Ditter
"chemicals were all dumped"

Well ... I just don't believe it was "all" dumped. There may have been some, but from the store they were supposed to have, what they found in the river would only have been the tip of the iceberg.
27 posted on 05/24/2003 5:45:46 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: cgk
Yes they did! And ... for my money - it was planned - with the help of France and possibly Russia.
28 posted on 05/24/2003 5:49:44 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: AndrewC
Of course, if true, it violates UN Resolution 687, but I still say the headline in this article is bogus at this stage of the game. The article never says there are "concrete" plans on paper, but rather purports there was a conversation from a high ranking Iraqi official.

"Details of Saddam's secret missile programme were discovered by British weapons experts after interviews with several former senior officials of the MIC.

The editor popped into the headline the words "Smoking Gun" for effect. It is not the "Smoking Gun" everyone is looking for ......yet.

29 posted on 05/24/2003 5:50:45 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Dog Gone
There were plenty of reasons to invade Iraq, and this was one of them, although we didn't even know about this program at the time.

We knew about the missle program, Powell talked at lenght about it in the televised speech that was at the U.N., we just never really focued on it, or made it a grounds for attack.

I agree there was plenty of reasons to go in, but first off, this war just barely ended, we haven't really gone at length in looking, and knowing where to look, its going to take some time. That said, what we always seem to find are the ingrediants to make the weapons, but not the weapons themselves, its kind of like having everything for a cake, but not the cake. There is no doubt in my mind that they have WMP, what was finished has probably been either buried, is in underground bunkers, or homes.

As for the SCUDS, they launched a SCUD into Kuwait during the war, if you remember, there were causalties, it hit a shopping Mall. The information minister denied it was fired from iraq and didn't know how it got into the mall (not joking, I'm serious).

30 posted on 05/24/2003 5:50:56 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: CyberAnt
Are you also thinking a lot of these weapons are in that valley in Syria - Bakaa or however it's spelled?
31 posted on 05/24/2003 5:51:16 PM PDT by cgk (It is liberal dogma that human life is an accident - Linda Bowles (r.i.p.))
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To: cgk
I wouldn't be a bit surprised; especially since I believe the Sadaam Fedayeen were mostly made up of Hezbollah and/or Hamas (which are from the Bakah Valley).
32 posted on 05/24/2003 5:58:27 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: Dog Gone
But it's still not a WMD. And until we find better proof of that than we have so far, the critics will still be making noise.

Would you really expect them to cease whatever the outcome?

33 posted on 05/24/2003 5:59:01 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Sonny M
As for the SCUDS, they launched a SCUD into Kuwait during the war, if you remember, there were causalties, it hit a shopping Mall. The information minister denied it was fired from iraq and didn't know how it got into the mall (not joking, I'm serious).

I think they identified that missle as the Iraqi variant of the Chinese silkworm.

34 posted on 05/24/2003 6:01:23 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Would you really expect them to cease whatever the outcome?

Nope.

35 posted on 05/24/2003 6:02:22 PM PDT by null and void
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To: Sonny M
As for the SCUDS, they launched a SCUD into Kuwait during the war, if you remember, there were causalties, it hit a shopping Mall.

Initial reports called it a SCUD, but it turned out to be a Silkworm anti-ship missile. No SCUDS were fired or have been found so far.

36 posted on 05/24/2003 6:04:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: AndrewC
Its possible, I remember them saying it was a scud, at least on that night, and for a few days, it might have eventually been identified as a silkworm later on.
37 posted on 05/24/2003 6:05:21 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: CyberAnt
They only dumped the chemicals that they didn't have time to bury. Unless someone talks, we will never find the buried barrles.
38 posted on 05/24/2003 6:06:03 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Dog Gone
Dog, no Scuds were fired but sources have claimed that special forces found and captured the Scuds before the air war even started.
39 posted on 05/24/2003 6:07:58 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Ditter
You may be right; but I hope one of the incarcerated bunch turns the tables on Sadaam and gives up the stuff.
40 posted on 05/24/2003 6:13:10 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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