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Canada: Toronto bars cosmetic pesticide use
TorontoStar ^ | May. 24, 2003 | BRUCE DEMARA AND PAUL MOLONEY

Posted on 05/24/2003 2:15:25 PM PDT by Buckeroo

May. 24, 2003. 09:57 AM Ban enrages lawn care operators Toronto bars cosmetic pesticide use Warnings but no charges until 2006

BRUCE DEMARA AND PAUL MOLONEY STAFF REPORTERS


Toronto homeowners will have to find alternatives to chemical weed killers to keep dandelions at bay and lawns green after city council adopted a bylaw to restrict the use of pesticides on private property.

The bylaw, which comes into effect next April, will focus on public education to discourage pesticide use before enforcement begins in September, 2005. Even then, property owners using pesticides for non-essential or cosmetic purposes will only face warnings until 2006, when $250 fines kick in.

City council adopted the bylaw by a surprisingly wide margin — 26 to 16 — after almost two days of debate which saw an urban-suburban split.

Throughout the debate, politicians were under the watchful eye of lawn and garden care industry operators who had very reluctantly signed onto a "compromise" deal, which included delaying enforcement and having a special committee deliberate on contentious issues such as a definition of "infestations," in which restricted pesticides could be used, and whether golf courses should be included.

"I'm in celebration mode and I think the residents of the City of Toronto should be proud. We are now in the forefront of pesticide legislation in Ontario and indeed in Canada," said Councillor Joe Mihevc (Ward 21, St. Paul's), chair of the board of health, which first championed the bylaw.

Councillor Jane Pitfield (Ward 26, Don Valley West) called the decision "almost miraculous."

"This is going to have huge repercussions for the whole (pesticide) industry. This is the largest city in Canada to do this. A lot of other municipalities are watching us. It's going to have a domino effect across North America," Pitfield said.

But the council chamber exploded into shouts of anger and recrimination during the voting process after city council approved the addition of a member of the organic gardening industry to a 11-member pesticide implementation advisory committee that will spend the next year ironing out the contentious parts of the bylaw.

Security guards removed several lawn operators amid cries of "fascist" and "it's a screw job."

City council hastily beat a retreat, re-opened the item and reversed their decision.

Katrina Miller, spokesperson for the Toronto Environmental Alliance, called the council decision "a big win."

"We had the (lawn care) industry lobby coming at us with everything and the kitchen sink. We feel ... that city council has supported a bylaw that's going to protect children's health, protect the environment and it's going to allow people to have beautiful lawns," Miller said.

But Lorraine Van Haastrecht, spokesperson for the Toronto Environmental Coalition, which represents a group of lawn care operators, said she felt "very angry, very disappointed and actually violated."

Despite reaching a compromise on the bylaw, Van Haastrecht said her colleagues did not get equal representation on the pesticide advisory committee, which will deliberate on the critical issue of "infestation" — the level beyond which pesticides can be used.

"How can you trust these people? For 26 months, they've been lying to me. I don't trust them at all," she said.

In fact, lawn care and landscaping representatives have four positions on the committee, compared to two environmental representatives.

Councillor Rob Ford (Ward 2, Etobicoke North) called the bylaw "the worst thing that could happen."

"This whole city is going to be weeds, mice, rodents. It's already dirty as it is. We have to clean it up.

"We're losing our rights in this city. You can't do anything and it's your property. That's dictatorship," Ford said.

"Flawed bylaw, flawed process — end result is that homeowners will have their properties looking just like most of the public properties I saw ... infested with weeds and dandelions," said Lorne Hepworth, president of CropLife Canada — which represents pesticide manufacturers.


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1 posted on 05/24/2003 2:15:26 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: Buckeroo
Dont hurt them Dandy Lions but give refuge to Terrorist..........
2 posted on 05/24/2003 2:25:48 PM PDT by vavavah
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To: Buckeroo
Seems like it applies only to HERBicides (weed killers, etc) rather than pesticides as a whole.

If folks would only follow the directions when using chemicals (more is NOT better) we wouldn't have problems with chemical run-off, etc.
3 posted on 05/24/2003 2:26:26 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: vavavah
Red star over Toronto.

Vlad and Leon would be proud.
4 posted on 05/24/2003 2:27:59 PM PDT by TheConservator (Democrates libenter quod volunt credunt)
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To: Buckeroo
In some places in Canada their houses are painted in three horizontal bands of equal width; the top and bottom bands are of the same color such as purple, pink or sky blue and the middle band is white.

how much worse could having a lawn full of dandelions too look?

5 posted on 05/24/2003 2:29:10 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: vavavah
Elect politicians to fight the dreadful disease of individual property rights. It's for the children, you know.
6 posted on 05/24/2003 2:40:30 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: AngrySpud

"If folks would only follow the directions when using chemicals (more is NOT better) we wouldn't have problems with chemical run-off, etc. " -- AngrySpud

You don't seem to understand the issue, here. Government gave the educational level of reading to society in Canada. Government intends to enforce it, not by education but by criminal punishment.
7 posted on 05/24/2003 2:49:59 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: AngrySpud
Seems like it applies only to HERBicides (weed killers, etc) rather than pesticides as a whole.

Hmmmm... I always thought "pesticides" applied only to bug spray anyway.
I've never considered it to be a generic term that included herbicides.

8 posted on 05/24/2003 2:53:44 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Buckeroo
I suspect there just might be a few important areas that need attention (probably road maintenance, sewers, traffic as examples) as opposed to such silliness as restricting use herbicides, pesticides and the like. This whole mindset is reflected in the "secondhand smoke" crusades running amuck in the U.S.

Sounds like its time to boot out a large group of policians who take themselves way too seriously.

9 posted on 05/24/2003 3:01:15 PM PDT by toddst
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To: Buckeroo
Next on the city council agenda, ban free thought.

If I lived in Toronto, I would let my yard go. I DO mean let it go. Four foot tall weeds, trash in my yard & all!

That reminds me, i have to mow the lawn and put down MORE Scotts. :o)
10 posted on 05/24/2003 3:06:10 PM PDT by Teetop (Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.)
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To: toddst
Can you see the facts, here? After Dandilion spray and bugz ... they will enact a law that says, No more voting against politicians.

Contemporary laws around the world are not about ensuring our individual rights, liberties and freedoms. Laws are about destroying the concept of our personal dignity.

11 posted on 05/24/2003 3:07:48 PM PDT by Buckeroo
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To: AngrySpud
I suffered thru years of 2-4D resistant dandelions and pigweed, nettle, mustard, and another Heinz 57 of weeds.

I got portable elecronet fencing and put my sheep to the task. With timing and enough animals, weeds are gone. I've leased them out to other sites that are 50% dandelions in full bloom. In 8 hours a five acre field does not have a single plant left. After about three cycles of regrowth the grasses have taken back the field.

There are good eco-friendly methods but they are not right in urban settings unless you don't mind squishy sheep poop between your toes. The manure is gone in a week.

12 posted on 05/24/2003 3:08:06 PM PDT by blackdog (Removal of this tag is a violation of federal law.)
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To: blackdog
The only weeds sheep won't tackle is burdoch and canadian thistles.

BTW, I get a mailing each year from my government threatening to fine me for not destroying noxious weeds. Go figure......

13 posted on 05/24/2003 3:10:15 PM PDT by blackdog (Removal of this tag is a violation of federal law.)
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To: toddst
I've gotta agree with Canada on this one. Ever get a bad weed population going in alfalfa or a hay field? The only cure is to spray roundup and kill everything while contaminating water tables with glyohosphate, 24D, and Dicamba. No till planting of corn and soybeans causes a ton of herbicide to be pumped on a ten acre field. My well is nitrate contaminated and has glyphosphate residue in it. Way too much herbicides are used. The urban settings use it with no place for it to go but the storm sewers.
14 posted on 05/24/2003 3:24:32 PM PDT by blackdog (Removal of this tag is a violation of federal law.)
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To: blackdog
I got portable elecronet fencing and put my sheep to the task. With timing and enough animals, weeds are gone. I've leased them out to other sites that are 50% dandelions in full bloom. In 8 hours a five acre field does not have a single plant left. After about three cycles of regrowth the grasses have taken back the field.

Hahaha, I knew someone would beat me to it!! I'm sure if enough folks started doing it, they @#%#$%^$ Toronto govt would ban sheep and goats from residental property.

The only other thing I can think of is to spray the dandelions with beef bullion and start inviting the stray dogs over. /joke.

15 posted on 05/24/2003 3:28:53 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Buckeroo
Next: They'll outlaw the use of soap and shampoo in the shower. After all, it's merely cosmetic!
16 posted on 05/24/2003 4:33:02 PM PDT by Procyon
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To: TheConservator
Red star over Toronto.

And what color is the star over your house?

Illegal naphthalene moth repellent products --
 mothballs --
pose a hazard to young children.


17 posted on 05/24/2003 4:41:39 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: gcruse
What the hell is the point of your response to me? I wasn't commenting on mothballs.
18 posted on 05/24/2003 8:37:40 PM PDT by TheConservator (Democrates libenter quod volunt credunt)
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To: TheConservator
If banning pesticides makes Canada some sort of communist state as you imply, what does banning moth balls make your country?
19 posted on 05/24/2003 8:54:14 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: Buckeroo
Those lucky Canadians. For three years I lived next door to a lawn nazi and his manicured grass. Tortonto neighbors of such must be cheering at the idea fo watching how they deal with this. :)

Thanks for the story about the sheep. Something like that would never have occurred to me. Something to file away for the future when I have a large yard again.
20 posted on 05/25/2003 2:54:31 AM PDT by tlb
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