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So I say abort her

So you ARE saying, kill the baby.

I note your post 88 relies on YOUR feelings and opinions; clearly you have no regard for what the child may feel as he or she is dissected alive, as he or she shall be, should your wish come to pass.

Ok. Say I'm a baby killer. That is what you are fishing for with disregard for all the enlightment I left on my post 88. Am I a baby killer? Or is the current system?

Am I speaking of current conditions? Or am I speaking in general? Have you seen the outcome? Or you just want a cut to the chase answer? Have you worked with children that go on to a state facility? Do you know the conditions?

Like I said before. This is NOT a yes or no answer.

I do not think it is wise to argue against abortion based on the pain the baby feels, or the breast cancer risk, or any other ancillary and curable side issue. Anaesthesia provided to someone before he or she is killed doesn't mean it's not murder. A breast cancer cure won't make abortion a better idea. Determine where you draw the line and justify it with the one good argument that will always hold water.

There are reasonable people who draw that line differently than I do. I won't demonize someone like Calpernia whose experience has led her to a different conclusion on this subject than mine on this subject. Her reasons for believing this pregnancy should be terminated, even at 23 weeks, are as rational as cgk's reasons for believing it should not be. At 23 weeks I lean toward cgk's take...but if this was 3 weeks I think I'd agree with Calpernia.

I agree with Calpernia that profoundly retarded and mentally ill persons ought to be sterilized for their own protection and that of the children they ought not conceive. Where to set the bar for that is really the only question, in my opinion. I believe it is something that parents can get done, but they have to fight for it at this point. Maybe that's how it ought to be.