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The Truth About Jonathan Pollard
Moment ^ | Received in e-mail 5/23/2003 | John Loftus

Posted on 05/23/2003 8:58:26 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

When American intelligence broke the Soviet wartime code, we learned that the Soviets had infiltrated the American government. The American intelligence community’s penchant for secrecy and its refusal to admit that it had been infiltrated was so great that it failed to disclose this to President Harry S. Truman. This is how Daniel Patrick Moynihan described it:

"The Soviets knew we knew they knew we knew. The only one who didn’t know was the President of the United States. Our politics was injured for 30 years by this."—Quoted in the New York Times, March 30, 2002

here is a good reason why neither Congress nor the American Jewish leadership supports the release of Jonathan Pollard from prison: They all were told a lie—a humongous Washington whopper of a lie. The lie was first whispered in the "bubble," the secret intelligence briefing room on Capitol Hill, but it quickly spread.

Just before Pollard’s sentencing, Senator Chic Hecht of Nevada, a senior member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, telephoned the leaders of every major Jewish organization to warn them not to support Pollard in any way. Pollard had done something so horrible that it could never be made public. Several senior intelligence sources confirmed the message: No matter how harsh the sentence, Jewish leaders had to keep their mouths shut; don’t make a martyr out of Jonathan Pollard.

Washington insiders thought they knew the big, dark secret. David Luchins, an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, announced to reporters that he had seen "secret documents confirming that Pollard’s spying had resulted in the loss of lives of U.S. intelligence agents." Luchins later recanted his statement, but not until the damage had already been done.

Pollard had supposedly given Israel a list of every American spy inside the Soviet Union. On several occasions Soviet agents in New York had posed as Israelis. The CIA reasoned that that was also true in Israel: The Mossad had been infiltrated by one or more Soviet spies. In the trade this is called a "false flag" operation: Your enemy poses as your ally and steals your secrets. In this case, the CIA reasoned in attempting to explain its horrendous losses, Pollard had passed the information to Israel he had stolen, which in turn fell victim to the "false flag" operation. Soviet agents in Israel, posing as Israeli intelligence agents, passed the information to Moscow, which then wiped out American human assets in the Soviet Union.

Pollard hadn’t meant for this to happen, but the result of the "false flag" mistake was mass murder. In a matter of months, every spy we had in Russia—more than 40 agents—had been captured or killed. At least that was the accusation, but the basis for it had been kept secret from Pollard and his defense counsel.

The public could not be told the horrifying truth: American intelligence had gone blind behind the Iron Curtain—we had lost all our networks, as the intelligence community publicly admitted more than a decade later. The Soviets could have attacked the United States without warning. Everyone who knew at the time (including me) blamed Pollard.

On March 5, 1987, at 2:22 p.m., the sentencing hearing in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., began in Criminal Case No. 86-207, United States of America v. Jonathan Jay Pollard. The prosecutors produced a secret letter and memo from Secretary of Defense Caspar "Cap" Weinberger referring to the "enormous" harm that Pollard had done to our national security. In his memo, Weinberger directly accused Pollard of betraying America’s "sources and methods," which is to say, he had betrayed our spies in foreign countries.

Weinberger publicly stated that Pollard was the worst spy in American history: "It is difficult for me, even in the so-called year of the spy, to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant." Despite his plea agreement to the contrary with the government, Pollard was given the maximum sentence, life in prison. Weinberger later said that he wished Pollard had been shot.

A week after the sentencing, the Washington Times reported that the United States had identified Shabtai Kalmanovich as the Soviet spy in Israel who supposedly worked for the Mossad but was actually working for the KGB; he had betrayed American secrets to Moscow. Kalmanovich had been flying under a false flag. Washington insiders winked knowingly at one another: Pollard’s contact in Israel had been caught.

Just to make sure that Pollard was blamed, U.S. intelligence sources, several months later, leaked word to the press of the Kalmanovich connection. "A Russian mole has infiltrated the Mossad and is transmitting highly sensitive American intelligence information to the Russians," was the report flashed around the world by United Press International on Dec. 14, 1987. Citing "American intelligence sources," the UPI announced that the "sensitive intelligence material relayed to Israel by Jonathan Pollard had reached the KGB."

But it was all untrue. Every bit of it. Pollard wasn’t the serial killer. The Jew didn’t do it. It was one of their own WASPs—Aldrich Ames, a drunken senior CIA official who sold the names of America’s agents to the Russians for cash. Pollard was framed for Ames’s crime, while Ames kept on drinking and spying for the Soviets for several more years. In fact, Israeli intelligence later suspected that Ames played a direct role in framing Pollard. But no one in America then knew the truth.

Ames was arrested in February 1994, and confessed to selling out American agents in the Soviet Union, but not all of them. It was only logical to assume that Pollard had betrayed the rest of them, as one former CIA official admitted shortly after Ames’s arrest. Even one life lost was too many. So Pollard continued to rot in jail. No one dreamed that yet another high-level Washington insider had sold us out to Soviet intelligence. Years passed, and eventually a Russian defector told the truth. A senior FBI official—Special Agent Robert Hanssen—had betrayed the rest of our agents. Hanssen was arrested in February 2001, and soon confessed in order to avoid the death penalty. He was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Would the Americans now admit that they had been conned into blaming Pollard? Beltway bureaucrats do not readily admit to mistakes of this magnitude. Instead, they convinced themselves that Pollard might still be at least partly to blame for the worst debacle in U.S. intelligence history. One desperate analyst from the National Security Council, looking for something to pin on Pollard, had his own theory. Maybe the Russians didn’t initially believe that their own spies (Ames and Hanssen) had procured all the names of U.S. agents in the Soviet Union. Maybe Pollard’s list tipped the scales.

Such things had happened before. Once again, Washington insiders circled their alphabet agencies to fire back at the critics who dared to suggest that Pollard might have been innocent of the major charge against him.

Meanwhile, deep inside the Navy’s intelligence service, a low-level decision was made to re-examine the Pollard case in view of the convictions of Ames and Hanssen. With sickening chagrin, the Navy discovered that the evidence needed to clear Pollard had been under its nose all along.

As my source in Naval intelligence explained, the list of our secret agents inside Russia had been kept in a special safe in a special room with a special "blue stripe" clearance needed for access. When I was a lawyer in the Justice Department and would be sent over to the CIA to do research, I was permitted to use only a blue-striped, CIA-issue legal pad for note-taking. Nothing with a blue stripe could leave the building without being scrutinized by CIA security.

But Jonathan Pollard didn’t have "blue stripe" clearance, according to intelligence sources I spoke with. That was the bombshell that would clear him of any possible connection to the deaths of our Russian agents. [Emphasis added]

Just to make sure, I checked it out, even visiting Pollard in prison to confirm it. Sure enough, there is no way on earth Jonathan Pollard could have entered the file room, let alone the safe where the list was kept.

But the intelligence community’s failure to catch this and thereby discredit a critical piece of prosecutorial evidence was, to put it mildly, a bit of an oversight. Some would say it was an obscene blunder. I regard it as an understandable mistake that was overlooked in the avalanche of phony evidence the KGB was planting that pointed to Pollard and away from Ames and Hanssen, whom the Soviets wanted to protect. Both of them had "blue stripe" clearance, as was well documented in several books that have been written on each man and his exploits.

The lack of "blue stripe" clearance was the final proof that Pollard could not possibly have betrayed our Russian agents. It should certainly have gotten him a new hearing. As a former federal prosecutor, I can state that it would be hard to rebut this kind of evidence. [Emphasis added]

The Justice Department, in one of its briefs, had specifically mentioned the "false flag" theory as grounds to support Pollard’s heavy sentence, arguing in part, that spying even for friendly countries can be damaging if information ultimately falls into the wrong hands. In this, the Justice Department had unwittingly misled the judge. Weinberger also raised the "false flag" issue in his top-secret memorandum to the judge.

The only possible way to uphold the sentence might be the "harmless error" doctrine. The government could admit that Pollard had never stolen the Russian agent list, but so what? Maybe he had passed other information that was equally damaging, so he would still deserve to remain in prison for the rest of his life.

The problem with the "harmless error" strategy is that the rest of the material that Pollard gave the Israelis was itself pretty harmless.

In fact, the original damage assessment from the intelligence community confirmed that the impact on our national security—of the release of information other than the agent names—was not serious. This assessment came after Pollard’s initial grand jury appearance, but before the Soviets began to frame Pollard with the phony Kalmanovich connection. No less a figure than Assistant U.S. Attorney Charles Leeper had characterized damage caused by the release of the information that Pollard actually gave Israel as "minimal."

The reason America suffered so little harm is simple: Pollard was stealing Soviet secrets for Israel, not American secrets for the Soviets. Before the fall of communism, the Soviets were shipping guns to nearly every terrorist group in the Middle East. Pollard knew that U.S. intelligence had been ordered to share this information with Israel—under an executive order signed by President Reagan—but had not done so. [Emphasis added]

In fact, as Pollard himself admitted in one of my three prison interviews, many, if not most, of the documents he handed over were cover sheets showing the titles of files that the U.S. was supposed to share with Israel, but were holding back. (The U.S government, according to Israeli intelligence sources, mistakenly counted the cover sheets as if they were full files and came up with the mythical "room full of stolen documents," instead of the small boxfulls or so that Pollard actually passed.) In the long run, though, the issue is not how many boxes Pollard passed, but whether anything he gave Israel did harm to America.

After the government’s "false flag" theory was blown up by the "blue stripe" discovery, the anti-Pollard members of the intelligence community had to come up with a new PR campaign for damage control. In order to justify Pollard’s life sentence, they had to show that he did do some potentially catastrophic damage to America. What they came up with was a bit of a stretch. Pollard had given Israel a set of radio frequency guidebooks, a worldwide listing of short-wave radio bands. It takes a lot of time and money to compile one of these guides, but essentially they are just publicly available information, openly deduced by listening to who is talking to whom on which radio bands.

Seymour Hersh is a famous reporter and long-time friend. (I was his secret source in his 1983 book The Price of Power—Kissinger in Nixon’s White House (Summit Books). But Sy had his leg pulled on Pollard by his CIA sources, as a result of which Sy published a story in the New Yorker in January 1999 claiming that these radio guides were just about the crown jewels of U.S. intelligence. The truth is that certain portions of the guide had already been sold to the Soviets by the Walker spy ring, according to courtroom testimony, which also revealed that the Soviets thought so little of the guides’ value that they did not even bother to ask their top spies, Ames and Hanssen, to steal the remainder of the set. Moreover, as previously noted, the government’s own damage assessment report originally concluded that the loss of the guides was a minor matter.

So much for the crown jewels. If that is the best spin the intelligence community can come up with, Pollard is probably entitled to immediate release for time served. The truth is that without the "false flag" theory, and the accompanying "worst spy in history" hysteria, Pollard would probably have been served no more than five years in prison. He has already served 18 years.

After 9/11, though, I began to realize that Pollard’s tale was only the beginning of a much bigger story about a major America intelligence scandal, which is the subject of a book I am now working on. Although Jonathan Pollard did not realize it, he had stumbled across the darkest secret in the Reagan administration’s closet. It is one of the reasons that I am serving as the intelligence advisor on a trillion-dollar federal lawsuit filed in August 2002 against the Saudis on behalf of the victims of 9/11.

Pollard in fact did steal something that the U.S. government never wishes to talk about. Several friends inside military intelligence have told me that Pollard gave the Israelis a roster that listed the identities of all the Saudi and other Arab intelligence agents we knew about as of 1984. (This has been corroborated by Israeli sources, as well.) At that time, this list, known in intelligence circles as the "blue book," would have been relatively unimportant to the United States—but not to Israel.

Since 9/11, however, Pollard’s "blue book" is of profound interest to everyone, including the U.S. These particular agents are now a major embarrassment to the Saudis and to the handful of American spy chiefs who had employed these Saudi intelligence agents on the sly. Some of the names on this list—such as Osama Bin Laden—turned out to be leaders of terrorist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood and what we now call Al Qaeda.

In hindsight, we now know that Pollard stole the one book—that, incidentally, was alluded to in Weinberger’s secret memorandum—that unquestionably proves that the Americans knew as early as 1984 about the connection between the Saudis and terrorist groups. [Emphasis added]

How does this all fit together? During the Reagan-Bush administrations, the National Security Council wanted to throw the Soviets out of Afghanistan using Arab soldiers instead of American. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but no one thought about the long-term consequences. In imitation of the Soviet strategy of hiring terrorists, we asked the Saudis to recruit a proxy army of Islamic terrorists whom we would supply with guns and pay indirectly, according to intelligence sources. By having the Saudis hire the "freedom fighters," we could avoid embarrassing questions in Congress about giving the taxpayers money to known Arab terrorists.

In 1982, I went on "60 Minutes" to expose Nazi war criminals I had been assigned to prosecute who were then working for the CIA. It was one of those Cold War blunders. The CIA didn’t have a clue it was dealing with Nazi war criminals. It thought they were "freedom ighters." In 1985, I ended up testifying before the U.S. House Judiciary Committee about Nazis on the intelligence payroll.

Sadly, the only lesson the intelligence bosses learned was to put the bad guys on someone else’s payroll (the Saudis for one), and then reimburse them under the table. Because of my whistle-blowing during the early 1980s, the CIA was still pretty sensitive about hiring Nazi "freedom fighters" without background checks, so they were mostly kept out of the loop about the Arab terrorists hired clandestinely by the Saudis to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.

The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. The naive Americans walked away from the Frankenstein monster they had created, but the cynical Saudis kept the terrorists on the payroll. From the Saudi perspective, it was safer to keep paying the terrorists groups to attack Israel, Bosnia or Chechnya rather than letting them all back into Saudi Arabia. As one U.S. intelligence bureaucrat cynically confided to me, "Sure we knew that the Saudis were giving money to terrorist groups, but they were only killing Jews, they weren’t killing Americans."

In this "Keystone Cops" affair, one wing of U.S. intelligence was hunting terrorists while another winked at the Saudis’ recruitment of them. I have spoken to numerous FBI and CIA counter-terrorist agents, all of whom tell a similar story. Whenever the FBI or CIA came close to uncovering the Saudi terrorist connection, their investigations were mysteriously terminated. In hindsight, I can only conclude that some of our own Washington bureaucrats have been protecting the Al Qaeda leadership and their oil-rich Saudi backers from investigation for more than a decade.

I am not the only one to reach this conclusion. In his autobiography, Oliver North confirmed that every time he wanted to do something about terrorism, Weinberger stopped him because it might upset the Saudis and jeopardize the flow of oil to the U.S. John O’Neill, a former FBI agent and our nation’s top Al Qaeda expert, stated in a 2001 book written by Jean Charles Brisard, a noted French intelligence analyst, that everything we wanted to know about terrorism could be found in Saudi Arabia. [Emphasis added]

O’Neill warned the Beltway bosses repeatedly that if the Saudis were to continue funding Al Qaeda, it would end up costing American lives, according to several intelligence sources. As long as the oil kept flowing, they just shrugged. Outraged by the Saudi cover-up, O’Neill quit the FBI and became the new chief of security at the World Trade Center. In a bitter irony, the man who could have exposed his bosses’ continuous cover-up of the Saudi-Al Qaeda link was himself killed by Al Qaeda on 9/11.

Congress has been told repeatedly that American intelligence never knew the identities of the Arabs who threw the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Inadvertently, Pollard stole the ultimate smoking gun that shows exactly what the leaders of our intelligence community knew and when they knew it [emphasis added]. The "blue book" Pollard stole flatly establishes that all the dots were connected many years before 9/11, and the only thing the intelligence chiefs did competently was cover up the fact that we had long known about the Saudi-terrorist link.

In the ultimate irony, Pollard may have to be let out of prison to testify before Congress about the negligence of his own superiors. Like O’Neill, Pollard had tried to warn his superiors that a wave of terrorism was coming out of the Middle East, but no one would listen. Pollard himself told me this. Pollard has admitted—to me and in writing to President Clinton—that he was wrong and stupid in passing the information to Israel on his own, but in the long run he may have committed the most unpardonable sin of all: He was right and the bureaucrats were wrong. [Emphasis added]

Pollard never thought he was betraying his country. And he never did, although he clearly violated its laws. He just wanted to help protect Israelis and Americans from terrorists. Now in prison for nearly two decades, Pollard, who is in his late 40s, grows more ill year by year. If, as seems likely, American bureaucrats choose to fight a prolonged delaying action over a new hearing, Pollard will probably die in prison. There are people in power inside the Beltway who have been playing for time. Time for them ran out on 9/11. Sooner or later, they are going to be held accountable. I hope that Pollard lives to see it.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaida; antisemitism; cokehead; fatspy; hanghim; israel; pollard; saud; saudi; saudis; scapegoating; traitor; whining
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To: SJackson
Theodore B. Olsen

Currently Solictor General of the United States. His wife Barbara, a conservative commentator and writer, was killed on 9-11 in the aircraft that hit the Pentagon.

61 posted on 05/23/2003 12:01:35 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I find this very compelling. Explains a great deal of the inconsistency surrounding Pollard's case. Also the Saudi intelligence connections explain, in general terms, a great deal of the inconsistencies of our entire approach to the Middle East.

Loftus' perspective on Israel, Middle East makes things seem clearer to me. He may jump to some conclusions, but I have yet to be dissuaded of his credibility.

In his book "See No Evil", Robert Baer blames oil company influence at the highest levels of intel for botching his overthrow of Saddam. This fits nicely with Loftus perspective, and is not coming from a tin foil consumer.
62 posted on 05/23/2003 12:04:53 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: SJackson
Whether this was an injustice or not won?t be known until the Justice Dept. declassifies the letter to the judge, until then the nature of the crime Pollard was sentenced for isn?t really know. That?s really what his supporters should be asking for, not release

I agree with you there.

63 posted on 05/23/2003 1:01:21 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Billthedrill
I am sorry that his actions and their outcome has given his friends and supporters pain, but the bottom line is that there is absolutely nothing disproportionate or inappropriate in what is happening to him. If others have been sentenced to less that is irrelevant. If others have given information to different people that is irrelevant.

Why is this irrelevant? There must be some reason why Pollard was given a sentence out of all proportion to those given to other spies guilty of the same thing (I am assuming his crime was similar to that of other spies for friendly nations; if not, we should be told what it was). This discrepancy naturally leads to questions and ultimately conspiracy theories.

Are you saying Pollard signed a statement stipulating he would be sentenced to life in prison regardless of to whom he gave the information? I find that hard to believe if (as I have read) the initial punishment demanded by the government was withdrawn at the last minute and life imprisonment suddenly demanded, surprising everyone.

Again, I am not arguing that Pollard did not commit a crime. I am not arguing that he be pardoned. I am not saying that his sentence is inappropriate if indeed his crime was more heinous than those of spies who worked for South Korea or Saudi Arabia. What I am saying is that if his crime was no more serious than that of other "friendly spies" that he should have been given the same treatment. That is all.

The most the supporters of Pollard have asked for has not been a pardon but commutation of the sentence to time served, though perhaps a retrial would be nice (especially if the government could justify its severity in this case).

Neither should anyone assume that all the "pressure" on behalf of Pollard comes from "liberals" (unless one is among that number of slithering creatures to whom anything Jewish, Zionist, or Israeli is automatically "leftwing"). Many of his advocates come from the Right, including both Torah nationalists and even people who campaigned against Joe Lieberman during the last election (one page linked Lieberman's silence on Pollard with his support of abortion and homosexual "rights").

Finally, even though I am not Jewish, as a Ben Noach I am aware of another element of this issue that even many of Pollard's harshest critics have ignored--that as a Jew this crime, however slight it might have been, constituted a chillul HaShem. Were there mitigating circumstances? The court that will ultimately decide this is one we will all one day appear before.

I am simply saying that the sentence given Pollard is not as simple to justify as it seems, unless the one who defends it is privy to information the rest of us are not.

64 posted on 05/23/2003 1:12:13 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Sorry for the post-and-run...lunchtime... ;-)

Sentencing for any crime is up to the judge, who is given a range of possibilities and may or may not be influenced by factors you raise in justification such as level of damage - it is not quite correct to imply that a judge must "justify" a life sentence in this or any other case. If it is within the window he or she may invoke it for any reason he or she desires, or none at all.

Pollard is something of a special case in juridicial matters, as is any employee of the federal government entrusted with access to sensitive information. These - I was one - cannot be treated quite like a regular citizen in a number of regards, not the least of which is testimony to pertinent matters in open court. There are restrictions on First, Fourth, and Fifth amendment rights that do not occur with persons accused of a normal felony or misdemeanor.

But the bottom line is that what he was doing was knowingly breaching a trust with known penalties - Pollard himself has said as much, for heaven's sake! Anyone who is in this little game has friends who have vital interests in the information they are safeguarding but who are not cleared for access. It goes with the job, and it is one of the first and most important things you're briefed on when accepting this level of responsibility. If you fail the trust you may expect to have the book thrown at you, period. Anything less than that isn't a matter of "fairness," it's a matter of luck. Pollard understands that as well.

I don't blame his friends, supporters, or the people that benefited from the release of this information, from speaking up for him. Good folks, all, but they don't understand the game and they don't understand the rules and Pollard does.

65 posted on 05/23/2003 1:30:58 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Billthedrill
There must be some reason why Pollard was given a sentence out of all proportion to those given to other spies guilty of the same thing...Are you saying Pollard signed a statement stipulating he would be sentenced to life in prison regardless of to whom he gave the information?

He signed a plea agreement with the government in which the government agreed not to ask for for a life sentence. He complied with it's terms, other than an interview with Wolf Blitzer, which the government approved, but which Justice contends was approved by the wrong department. That's Justice's only complaint. Pollard was sentenced to life based on Weinberger's statement to the judge, which Pollard and his attorney were allowed to view, without taking notes, for 5 minutes.

The issue we should be concerned with isn't Pollard, but the justice system. The Justice Dept. has acknowledged the communication to the judge is no longer a national security risk. There's no reason not to make it public, other than the possible taint it might provide on the use of secret evidence, currently an issue in the war on terror. None the less, we should know what transpired.

66 posted on 05/23/2003 1:51:39 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Bump. Ted Olsen went to bat for Pollard. WoW!
67 posted on 05/23/2003 1:54:58 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Billthedrill
But the bottom line is that what he was doing was knowingly breaching a trust with known penalties -

Do the crime, do the time isn't a difficult concept to understand. However when my Justice Dept enters into a plea agreement (and I don't much like them), I do expect them to keep their word. And when they don't, based on secret information, it concerns me. IMO, that's the issue here, not Pollard the individual. And it's an issue which could be easily resolved by declassification of the 4 page communication to the judge.

68 posted on 05/23/2003 1:55:28 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So is the question whether or not Pollard deserves leniency?

Ok then. Give him a second cigarette to go along with a bigger blindfold.

69 posted on 05/23/2003 2:00:23 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: F16Fighter; All
Did you read the article -- information ...

possibly pollard is a little fish ---

the big ones go free -- untouched ?

Main Entry: un·touched
Pronunciation: "&n-'t&cht
Function: adjective
Date: 14th century
1 : not subjected to touching : not handled
2 : not described or dealt with
3 a : not tasted b : being in the first or a primeval state or condition
4 : not influenced : UNAFFECTED
70 posted on 05/23/2003 2:06:15 PM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: SJackson
And when they don't, based on secret information, it concerns me.

And I think you are quite justified in this. Only that's one of the things I was trying to express, albeit poorly, above - the nature of the case and the individual and the information involved preclude the presentation of this sort of information in open court (and hence public record). This means that sentencing guidelines (and they are only guidelines, not written in stone) are subject to abuse with not a great deal of control. It may be that some sort of review might be added here, but anyone doing that reviewing must be cleared for that information, which in itself is subject to state control and hence potential abuse. I don't actually see much of a way around this, but I'm certainly open to suggestion.

71 posted on 05/23/2003 2:39:50 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Fascinating article. Good find.
72 posted on 05/23/2003 2:42:39 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Where is the punishment for Pollard any worse than the punishment inflicted on Mordechai Vanunu? And what did Vanunun do that was worse than Pollard?
73 posted on 05/23/2003 2:46:05 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Zionist Conspirator; dix; HISSKGB; Grampa Dave; Fracas
When American intelligence broke the Soviet wartime code,we learned that the Soviets had infiltrated the American government. The American intelligence community’s penchant for secrecy and its refusal to admit that it had been infiltrated was so great that it failed to disclose this to President Harry S. Truman.

John Loftus is incorrect. So was Moynihan but in a different way. Truman did know about Venona. Moyihan's statement is understandable as the common assumption has been Truman did not know. Pat attributed the secrecy to the Army's desire to not let the Soviets know we broke their codes. Considering that Truman kept his knowledge of Venona secret and did little about the infiltration (he told the press Hiss was not a Soviet agent when he knew Hiss was ), Moyihan acted in good faith saying what he said. He was one of the last decent Democrats.

Loftus is another matter. Do a google search on his name. He is a liberal activist. Notice how he claims the "evil" intelligence community was loath to admit it had been compromised. That is just plan silly as anyone who knows the story of James Jesus Angleton is aware. What Loftus does not want to admit is it was not so much the intelligence agencies which were compromised but his beloved Democratic party, the State Department (a hive of liberals), the FDR and the Truman administration. The New Deal coalition swarmed with traitors.

Far as Pollard is concerned...I have no idea what the proper course of action is. Somebody had it in for him. I do not believe that was without good reason. But he has served a long sentence. On the other hand, releasing someone because a foreign government lobbys strongly for it is extremly bad policy and a precedent which should never be set. Bush is good at these types of problems. Perhaps he should pardon Pollard. Be best if a Republican did it. To grant a pardon, Bush would have to lay out very clearly the following: Pollard cooperated fully. He has been punished enough. Lobbying for his release had nothing to do with the decision to grant a pardon. If Bush grants a pardon without doing all that, it will appear to be another Marc Rich case and the base of the GOP, the military and the intelligence community will be furious.

74 posted on 05/23/2003 3:21:03 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Did the google search. Didn't find the liberal activist. Wouldn't matter if he was/is, if he's right.
75 posted on 05/23/2003 3:52:06 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: bmwcyle
Was a coke head: with no more spy money he can't buy it in prison.
76 posted on 05/23/2003 4:15:58 PM PDT by Nick Thimmesch
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To: JmyBryan
Sorry. Should have told you more terms to punch in.

John Loftus has been pushing the "Bush is a Nazi" theme for years. He was one of the point men spreading the slander during the 2000 election. Check out these google search results. To borrow a liberal term, what John Loftus engages in is pure McCarthyism.

Those who want Pollard freed should pick someone else to make the case. After what Loftus has done to the Bush family, I doubt our President wants to hear anything he has to say.

77 posted on 05/23/2003 4:35:08 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
John Loftus can't keep his lies straight. Years ago I heard a speech of his that totally contradicts the data he has on his website. Then he claimed he was specifically appointed by the Carter administration to search through records in DC to ferret out Nazis employed by our military. Now he says he resigned his post to expose this.

Look at his website. It is a hoot. His bio there begins by saying his possibly knows more military secrets than anyone alive! From his former lowly position in the Army, he says he had a higher security clearance than almost everyone imaginable.

His web page carries a 'document' written by Sam Parry, son of Robert Parry who was an ardent Viet commie supporter. Loftus states he is anti-Bush and anti-Cheney.

From his place in Florida, Loftus now claims to be an expert on Enron,al Qaida, bin Ladin etc. He is a nut.
78 posted on 05/23/2003 5:17:16 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: DPB101; ASA Vet
Loftus has been a liberal activist for decades if not his adult life.

Loftus has made some big errors in some of his claims.

The most recent appears to be his bold claims that Saddam, his sons and most of Saddam's power clique were killed on the first night we dropped the bunker buster and followed up with the cruise missiles. That may have been as off base as his claims re Pollard are.

He has no idea what Pollard exposed this nation to. Loftus had no need to know and would have been exposed to what Pollard knew and gave to the Israelis.

It is also a specious argument that Pollard only spied for allies. Many Americans with high clearances were told to never divulge what they knew to spouses, parents or siblings for as long as we live. That is inspite of those close relatives being vetted as well as those cleared.

I am very strong supporter of Israel and its desire to survive as a nation. I don't support Israel nor its spy, Pollard in this case.

Pollard was a traitor and was found guilty of treason and the unauthorized release of critical secrets. He should have gotten the death penalty.
79 posted on 05/23/2003 5:56:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Time to visit this website and join up: http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: DPB101
I make no distinction between spying for money and spying for ideology. This was not wartime, and there was no life and death 'behind the lines' mission to save the troops. IMO, all other arguments are specious.

I don't think GWB will pardon Pollard. He won't be swayed by the 'make a good will gesture to Israel' argument, nor will he be make a Clinton-type move that will draw attention from all the good things he's done. So, one's an ideological decision, the other political. Works for me!

80 posted on 05/23/2003 6:19:28 PM PDT by Fracas
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