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Judeo-Christian-Islamic Values?-Islamists say America should honor its Muslim "forebears."
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | May 23, 2003 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 05/23/2003 5:39:17 AM PDT by SJackson

You may not have been aware of it until now, but you’re living in the land of Judeo-Christian-Islamic values. That unwieldy phrase is being bandied about by Muslim advocacy groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council. Agha Saeed of the American Muslim Alliance recommends that this phrase trip off tongues “in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places.”

Forgive me if I am somewhat hesitant to jump on this bandwagon. For one thing, the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” has real historical content. Like it or not, the American republic was founded upon values that were derived ultimately from the heritage of the Old and New Testaments. Most of the Founding Fathers were Christians; Jews have participated in American politics in important ways since the Revolutionary War.

Would there have been Muslim Founding Fathers and Muslim political figures throughout American history if there had been a significant Muslim population here at that time? Perhaps. But the phrase “Judeo-Christian values” refers to a specific set of things that are valued. Agha Saeed would have us accept on faith that Islam values essentially the same things, but there is abundant evidence to the contrary — and I am not referring to the depredations of terrorists. I am talking about classic Islamic law: the Sharia.

In principal contrast to the Sharia is a Judeo-Christian value that may seem paradoxical at first glance: secularism. The Bill of Rights forbids the establishment of a religion or any prohibition of “the free exercise thereof.” Contrary to fashionable myth, this provision wasn’t hammered out by unbelievers to give them freedom from believers. Establishing no religion meant that all were free to practice their own. Even Enlightenment thinkers such as Locke who laid the groundwork for secular government worked within a profoundly Christian cultural and intellectual context. In America, Protestants, Catholics, and Jews were able to turn away from their histories of warfare and mistrust and fashion a working polity from the values they shared in common — from Biblical and traditional teachings about the equality of dignity of all people before God.

Where secularism exists in Muslim countries, it was imported from the West; it didn’t emerge from any understanding of the Qur’an or Muslim tradition. Many Muslims, particularly radicals, regard it as illegitimate: Islam provides a model for the ordering of society; why import one from unbelievers? According to Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi (1903-1979), an influential Muslim scholar, commentator on the Qur’an, and founder of the Jamaat-e-Islami (Party of Islam), a powerful force in contemporary Pakistani politics, “the purpose of Islam is to set up a State on the basis of its own ideology and programme.”

He didn’t envision this as a program for Pakistan alone. “Islam requires the earth — not just a portion, but the whole planet — not because the sovereignty over the earth should be wrested from one Nation or several Nations and vested in one particular Nation, but because the entire mankind should benefit from the ideology and welfare programme or what would be truer to say from ‘Islam’ which is the programme of well-being for all humanity.”

Maududi was no eccentric. This is not only the guiding principles of celebrated twentieth-century radicals such as the Ayatollah Khomeini, Sayyid Qutb, Hasan al-Banna, and Abdullah Azzam; it’s also an established view in the Islamic world. It powers Sharia states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, wields immense influence over public policy in Pakistan, Egypt, and elsewhere, and motivates exemplary democrats like Hamas, which spells out its differences with the PLO in its Charter: “Secular thought is diametrically opposed to religious thought. . . . Therefore, in spite of our appreciation for the PLO and its possible transformation in the future, and despite the fact that we do not denigrate its role in the Arab-Israeli conflict, we cannot substitute it for the Islamic nature of Palestine by adopting secular thought. For the Islamic nature of Palestine is part of our religion, and anyone who neglects his religion is bound to lose.”

Can non-Muslims live in this Islamic state? Most certainly. “Islamic ‘Jihad,’” Maududi explains with a tolerance that would impress Karen Armstrong, “does not seek to interfere with the faith, ideology, rituals of worship or social customs of the people. It allows them perfect freedom of religious belief and permits them to act according to their creed.”

There’s just one catch: “However,” Maududi continues, “Islamic ‘Jihad’ does not recognize their right to administer State affairs according to a system which, in the view of Islam, is evil.” Likewise Sayyid Qutb. Muslims, says the father of modern Islamic radicalism, must not only preach, but also “strike hard at all those political powers which force people to bow before them and which rule over them, unmindful of the commandments of God, and which prevent people from listening to the preaching and accepting the belief if they wish to do so. After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice.”

“The freedom of man.” Gee, that does sound like a Judeo-Christian value — until you realize that he’s talking about stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, polygamy, concubinage, the subjugation of women, and all the other stipulations of the Sharia, all of which he stoutly defended in his voluminous writings. Like Maududi, Qutb insisted on Islamic tolerance: the freedom of non-Muslims to practice their religions in an Islamic state. But his vision isn’t quite compatible with Western secularism either. Jihad, he explains, “should leave every individual free to accept or reject [Islam], and if someone wants to accept it, it should not prevent him or fight against him. If someone does this [rejects Islam], then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is killed or until he declares his submission.” Freedom for Qutb meant freedom to obey the Sharia, a freedom enforced by the power of the state. In any case, all this may or may not constitute freedom, but it sure doesn’t have anything to do with Judeo-Christian values.

In light of all this, it’s not so surprising that CAIR’s board chairman, Omar Ahmed, would have said in 1998 that “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” This statement has received renewed publicity lately, resulting in hot denials from CAIR that Ahmed ever said anything like this. Maybe he didn’t. But it’s really no more than a paraphrase of the teachings of Maududi, Qutb, and other radical Muslims, so that that there are many Muslims in the United States today whose beliefs are exactly summed up by this statement. Maududi and Qutb are respected voices whose writings are freely available to American Muslims from numerous online bookstores. Many of them are freshly published in new English translations that are fitted out with prefaces glowing with praise for the great men who wrote them and the enduring relevance of their ideas.

Are we to believe that no American Muslim is reading them? Or that every American Muslim who does read them rejects their rejection of secularism? This is an increasingly important question in light of the fact that the “Judeo-Christian-Islamic values” campaign is not just another exercise in PC wordplay. Muslim groups have announced their intentions to field more candidates than ever in 2004, and to work harder than ever to influence public policy.

Well and good. But will these candidates be so kind as to explain their relationship to the Sharia, and their long-term goals for the United States and its secular Constitution? I am certain that if any of those candidates read this, they will see it as an insult. It is not intended as such. Faced with similar questions about his Catholicism in 1960, John Kennedy didn’t take them as an insult. He knew that even though anti-Catholicism was a pervasive bigotry (albeit not as fashionable then as it is now), there were non-bigots with genuine questions. After all, Pope Pius IX in 1864 did condemn the proposition that “the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church.” Whether or not Kennedy’s answer was adequately formulated, he took the question seriously and reaffirmed his commitment to our secular government.

Can Muslim politicians please make the same attempt before asking us to swallow the idea of “Judeo-Christian-Islamic values” whole and unexplained? This is a serious question born out of a serious fact: Islam is the only religion in the world that has a set of detailed legal directives for the ordering of societies, and Muslims around the world are pressing hard in numerous countries to put those directives into practice. Must we blandly assume that that can’t and won’t happen here? Certainly an explicit and definitive renunciation of the Sharia, with its built-in inequalities for woman and non-Muslims and its draconian punishments, would not be too much to ask for. Would it?

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Robert Spencer is author of "Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith" (Encounter Books).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abrahamic; cair; islam; judeochristian; values
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To: SJackson
>> If someone does this [rejects Islam], then it is the duty of Islam to fight him until either he is killed or until he declares his submission <<

>> Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. <<

Over my dead body as well. Lock and Load!
41 posted on 05/23/2003 10:45:33 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: SJackson
Ugh, I will NEVER associate my values with muslims. I'd rather be dead than affliated with disgusting rapist murderer pigs.
42 posted on 05/23/2003 10:48:21 AM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: OREALLY
>> Muslims at our school have complained that the pledge of allegiance to the flag is offensive to them as is the American flag itself offensive to them. <<

They need to understand that this is OUR country, NOT THEIRS! If they don't like it, LEAVE.
43 posted on 05/23/2003 10:52:54 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: SJackson
ISLAM IS THE ENEMY
They admit it, they say it repeatedly. Muslims admit that Western values and religions are evil and to be defeated. WHY do we have a problem admitting a self-defined enemy exists?
44 posted on 05/23/2003 11:01:27 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky
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To: appalachian_dweller
Well I don't know if they left the country but they left our small freedom loving, flag waving town. Happy day !(grin)
45 posted on 05/23/2003 11:15:09 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: OREALLY
I think this has been posted before, but I think it worth a re-read seeing as how we're on the subject....

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you do not like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really do not care how you did things where you came from.

This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. However, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, we highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
46 posted on 05/23/2003 11:45:04 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
good one!
47 posted on 05/23/2003 12:12:49 PM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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To: appalachian_dweller
you are too kind. I would make it a bit more blunt: Assimilate or DIE.
48 posted on 05/23/2003 12:13:48 PM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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To: ClearBlueSky
that is something I have not yet figured out. Why is it that so many Americans believe that declarations of war must be reciprocated before the war is engaged? Why do they think only Nations wield sufficient might to declare and wage war? Why can they not understand that the fact that they do not wish to recognize a self-declared enemy bears absolutely no relevance to that enemy's decision to BE their enemy?
49 posted on 05/23/2003 12:17:06 PM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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To: SJackson
Horse Pattootie!
50 posted on 05/23/2003 12:21:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: ishmac
...systematic deception is so well established in the Muslim world that it has a name.
There are even various types that can be categorized.


Thanks for finding the name for this practice.
I was listening to Capt. Dale Dye (USMC, ret.) who has been doing a 2-hour military
affairs show on KFI radio here in Los Angeles each Saturday.

He said that during his posting in many spots in the Middle East and North Africa,
he learned that this "lying as a way of life" was pretty endemic.
He said that the people of Morocco are, generally, one group of Muslims who are
"straight shooters" with the truth.
51 posted on 05/23/2003 12:32:35 PM PDT by VOA
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To: SJackson
This is equivalent to me calling up the Saudi embassy and asking them why they don't have a statue of George Washington in Mecca. Does Not Compute!
52 posted on 05/23/2003 1:05:16 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's a tagline. Move on.)
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To: SJackson
...you’re living in the land of Judeo-Christian-Islamic values...

Only in a Post-Modern World could an utterly senseless statement like this be taken seriously.

The Crusaders of the Middle Ages have gotten a bad rap. They took the actions needed to preserve their cultures and faith. They survived.

Now it is we who need to take steps to preserve our culture and faith. To do less is to commit eventual national suicide. We have a heritage, a history, a Constitution and law. Sharia Law stands in opposition to all of them, and it has proven to be an inseparable component of the Muslim faith.

We simply cannot survive if we go the route France is headed. There is only disaster in that direction.

53 posted on 05/23/2003 1:15:44 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: ishmac; dyed_in_the_wool
good stuff. needs to be spread far and wide.
54 posted on 05/23/2003 1:38:00 PM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
'Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.'
55 posted on 05/23/2003 1:49:47 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: SJackson
We are not the French.
56 posted on 05/23/2003 4:12:46 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: demosthenes the elder
Thanks for the bump.
I'll keep a candle lit for moderate Islam...
57 posted on 05/23/2003 6:25:47 PM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Syria. Iran. North Korea. Decisions, decisions, decisions...)
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To: OREALLY
So...Let the rag heads whine and complain!

They should only be "Offended" enough that they ALL would Run back to their 3rd World Sewer Holes they call HOME!

GO, I say, GO back from whence You came.

We...the USA will Not miss one blasted one of you nasty blood sucking Leaches.

Note to ALL Islamanazis...If you don't like our Flag, Traditions, and our Country...then Get The Hell Out!

Nobody's holding any of you here against your will.

$$$$$$$$ is the only reason you are here anyway, the more you get, the more you want.

They come off the plane knowing what Amerikan agencies they can go to for all kinds of help for FREE: Housing, Food Stamps, Medical, Dental, Social Security and SSI...you name it they get it.

And We the American Tax Payers are Paying Big Bucks for their Golden Opportunity to...Rip US Off for Billions of Dollar$.

So, whether you are leaving on your own or are Deported:

Don't Let The Door Hit Ya where your Moon god allah Split Ya!

58 posted on 05/25/2003 9:49:42 AM PDT by Simcha7 (GOD Bless and Protect Our TROOPS!)
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To: Simcha7
I think as much as (some) muslims hate Americans and our ways they enjoy the freedoms our patriots fought and died for !
They don't want to leave this great country, they just want to change it.
I catch myself sometimes lumping all muslims together and I do not mean to. After 9/11 I saw many muslims mourning and holding the American flag. Some muslims have lived under dictators and truely do love America. They too are victims of anti-American muslims.
59 posted on 05/25/2003 10:08:17 AM PDT by OREALLY
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To: backhoe
bump
60 posted on 05/27/2003 1:02:58 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't)
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