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Yellowstone moose less fearful (Scientists spend five years throwing urine-laced snowballs at them).
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Posted on 05/22/2003 12:58:09 PM PDT by Rodney King

MOOSE, Wyo. (AP) - Researchers who spent five years lobbing urine-soaked snowballs at moose in the wilds of Alaska and Wyoming have noticed that moose in Grand Teton National Park do not react as dramatically as their Alaska kin to the scent of wolves and grizzly bears.

Joel Berger and Sanjay Pyare, working for the Wildlife Conservation Society, suspect the reason is Wyoming moose encounter predators less frequently. Based on that result, Berger suspects wolf and grizzly populations have not fully recovered in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem.Berger hopes the study will prompt more considerations than raw numbers when wolves and grizzlies are considered for removal from federal protection. The work was reviewed by scientific peers and was recently published in the journal "Biological Conservation." "Recovery should be defined by a suite of recovery processes rather than a simple head count," Berger said. Berger and Pyare wanted to test the response of moose to the smell of typical predators but were unsure how to get the smell to the moose.

They considered putting urine samples on the ground and hoping a moose would walk by. They also considered launching smell samples by slingshot to a spot near a moose.

Finally they settled on an all-natural, time-tested projectile: the snowball. They chose to do their experiment on windless winter days with temperatures in the 30s. Some snowballs were doused with the urine of wolves, grizzlies and coyotes. Snowballs in control groups were doused with tiger urine or not at all.

Similar experiments used recorded sounds of predators. "It's definitely unorthodox," Berger said. "But it's been reviewed by our peers, published in high quality journals and been through the test mill." Berger said Alaska moose were typically "highly upset" to smell the urine of predators. Moose in Wyoming generally ignored the smells, with the exception of moose who had lost calves to wolves.

"The mothers who had not lost calves just stayed put," he said. "They were not showing the full range of response where they're part of an active predator system." For 75 years, moose, elk and bison in the Yellowstone region lived in an ecosystem free of wolves, which were reintroduced in 1995 and 1996. The area's grizzly bear population has been growing since federal protections were enacted in the 1970s.


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I wonder who the hell funded this study.
1 posted on 05/22/2003 12:58:10 PM PDT by Rodney King
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Researchers who spent five years lobbing urine-soaked snowballs at moose

That's gotta look pretty good on anyone's resume.

2 posted on 05/22/2003 12:59:50 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Rodney King
I wonder who the hell funded this study.

You did I'm sure. Somehow. BOHICA taxpayers.

Man, that's got to be a smelly job. Sounds like an episode of South Park or Simpsons.

3 posted on 05/22/2003 1:01:08 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Dog Gone
That's gotta look pretty good on anyone's resume.

Yeah, but Bill Clinton's no longer in the White House - where else would you use a skill like that?

4 posted on 05/22/2003 1:02:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (someone kidnapped dirtboy and replaced him with an exact replica)
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To: Rodney King
Did they use any snowballs laced with cheese?
5 posted on 05/22/2003 1:04:10 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Black Agnes
Man, that's got to be a smelly job. Sounds like an episode of South Park or Simpsons.

I actually saw a show about this on Animal Planet. They got the wolf wizz from zoos and tried to condition moose to be afraid of wolves that were returning to Grand Teton National Park by way of Yellowstone. I figured that one generation would have been sufficient to re-train moose that wolves were something to run away from.

6 posted on 05/22/2003 1:04:23 PM PDT by dirtboy (someone kidnapped dirtboy and replaced him with an exact replica)
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To: Rodney King
LOL!

I want to read the request for the grant!

Can you imagine yourself as an intern and being told what you were going to get to do?

My dad was a biologist. I can see him doing something like this.

Tia

7 posted on 05/22/2003 1:04:37 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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I wonder if they bothered to look at the rest of the demographics - number of predators to other available game, etc...
8 posted on 05/22/2003 1:04:50 PM PDT by trebb
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Snowballs in control groups were doused with tiger urine

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a grown tiger to pee on a snowball?
It can't be easy, I tell ya.

9 posted on 05/22/2003 1:05:22 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Black Agnes
Note to self: Don't eat any more yellow snowballs.
10 posted on 05/22/2003 1:07:03 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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Do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a grown tiger to pee on a snowball?

It was a Siberian Tiger, mate. The ones from India had too much shrinkage from the cold weather to hit a snowball.

11 posted on 05/22/2003 1:07:08 PM PDT by dirtboy (someone kidnapped dirtboy and replaced him with an exact replica)
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"So, I hear your son graduated with a degree in biology. What's he doing now?"

"Oh, he throws urine soaked snowballs at moose. Next year he hopes to get promoted to the point where he isn't the one doing the throwing."

12 posted on 05/22/2003 1:09:50 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: wardaddy
Saw your comments re: Dobie and walking. Somehow this seemed appropriate. How far are Dobies from wolves evolutionarily...really.
13 posted on 05/22/2003 1:09:50 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Rodney King
Here's an "I'd-rather-read-this-than-more-American-Idol-complaining" BUMP!
14 posted on 05/22/2003 1:10:18 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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"Oh, he throws urine soaked snowballs at moose. Next year he hopes to get promoted to the point where he isn't the one doing the throwing."

That was his promotion. Last year he was the one collecting the urine from the wolves...

15 posted on 05/22/2003 1:10:28 PM PDT by dirtboy (someone kidnapped dirtboy and replaced him with an exact replica)
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When I first started to read this, I expected the scientists were peeing on the snowballs them selves... LOL!

Sounds like a stunt from "JACKASS."
16 posted on 05/22/2003 1:10:39 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( Midnight at the Oasis)
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To: Rodney King
Not surprising. If I were a moose and somebody were throwing pee-laced snowballs at me, I'd be pi...I'd be really upset.
17 posted on 05/22/2003 1:15:28 PM PDT by RichInOC ("...he took a dog-doo snowcone and stuffed it in my right eye...")
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I'll bet that somewhere in moose land a moose is reporting on his five year study of silly humans who have nothing better to do then to throw urine laced snowballs.
18 posted on 05/22/2003 1:17:51 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Not exactly what you were talking about, but looks like a similar problem.

19 posted on 05/22/2003 1:20:12 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: Rodney King
Well, it's a darn good thing they didn't try to carve their initials in the beasts, with a toothbrush from Oslo. Did I tell you about my sister, and her nasti bite?
20 posted on 05/22/2003 1:23:21 PM PDT by frodolives (spam spam spam)
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