Help! Have old Real Player. Can't get audio of LA Times' Scheer defending Black Panthers in 1968

Thanks for the link. Know anything about his wife? She got him the job on the Times? She have as much a marxist background as he does?

21 posted on 05/22/2003 7:58:49 PM PDT by DPB101

Part 1

Speaking from the Black Panthers the Chairman and 2nd in command to Huey Newton, Bobby Scheer.

Applause.

The seven indicted ummm..anti-war, anti-draft demonstrators are downtown at 12th & Fallon in the same jail with our Minister of Defense, Huey P. Newton. Now, we are going to appeal because of the same Grand Jury that indicted Huey within a matter of 22 minutes without even covering the evidence, the so called evidence, that’s supposedly been placed against Huey, the ice mad dog grand jury that we’re referring to.

We’re appealing to you to support the fact that we don’t need ice dog mad jurors we’re appealing to you to support the fact that we don’t need racist policeman who shot Huey, and we don’t need racist policeman who brutalized the heads of you. We’re in fact putting this position that we’ve taken against the racist policeman who brutalized us in our black, in our communities and bringing it to the level where it is.

That what Huey P. Newton said there were only three kinds of power. A level where a group of people that control the economic situation or a level of power where a group of people have a ownership of land. That the third level of power commonly referred to as military power, and we refer to as self-defense power, with a gun, is coming to reality.

We’re saying that black people that protested police brutality, and many of you that thought we were jivin’, who thought we didn’t know what we were talking about because many black people in the community probably couldn’t answer your questions articulately, that you are experiencing the same thing, that when you go down in front of the anti-draft, and when you go over and you demonstrate against Dean Russ that those “P” cops will come down and brutalize your heads just like they brutalized the heads of black people in the black communities.

We’re sayin’ now, that you can show a direct relationship that’s for real, and that’s not abstract any more. That you don’t have to abstract what police brutality is like when a club is there to crush your skull. That you don’t have to abstract what police brutality is like when there’s a vicious service revolver there to tear your flesh. That you can see, in fact, that the real power, the power structure, and maintaining its racist regime is manifested and it’s occupying troops has manifested in it’s police department with guns and force. That in fact, black people, the Black Panther Party for self-defense are educating black people to the position continually that we will use arms to defend ourselves.

That in fact, brother Huey P. Newton, who is now being confined downtown, chained in the same jail, with the same anti-demonstrators, anti-draft demonstrators, that in fact this draws something very significant that we’re going to try and work together on. Now some people are probably wonderin’ how in the hell is it that what they would call the most militant group in the Country, can come along and tell white people, that you, and I, are gonna go down to the court house today at 2:00 at 12th & Fallon in Oakland. And we’re goin’ to march around the courthouse and demonstrate the fact that we want Huey P. Newton set free and that you want the anti-draft demonstrators also set free.

The mass, the masses of people who stand against the power structure of Oakland. J. Frank Coakley, who first started his career as a Naval attorney, in the Navy he was an attorney, a ship blew up where 50 black men were working on the ship. There were some more goods to be loaded off the ship but the 50 black men said we don’t wanna go back on the ship because we think that it’s very dangerous. And these 50 black men and Merchant Marines were charged with mutiny. And J. Frank Coakley started his career by prosecuting these black men and getting as much as 50 years in prison for these black men. I am saying that J. Frank Coakley is a racist dog. I am saying that this same racist dog is out to do the same thing to the anti-draft demonstrators. I am saying that it’s necessary for us to realize that this is a real situation.

I’m not going to argue black or white. I don’t do that no more. In other words, I stopped bein’ a racist a long time ago. You haven’t stopped being racist though. But I’m going to show you something. There’s a lot of people running around, and I can’t blame ‘em, and my culture, I feel my culture’s beautiful. But a lot of us have taken our culture a little too far. Because when Huey and I decided we were gonna get down to the real nitty-gritty we decided also we weren’t going to stoop to the level of a Klu Klux Klansman and hate a person just because of the color of their skin. This is important, because this is where racism starts.

22 posted on 05/22/2003 7:59:21 PM PDT by terilyn

To: Mister Baredog

The Wall Stree Journal delivers in most major cities, the op-ed page is worth the price of the paper...

These are the things that happen when there is no competition. I would pay DOUBLE for a newspaper I could feel good about supporting. I know I could live without the LA Times but I feel somewhat obligated to keep an eye on them.

23 posted on 05/22/2003 7:59:32 PM PDT by GOPJ

Part 2 in just a bit.

No comments on the typo's/spelling LOL!

24 posted on 05/22/2003 8:09:57 PM PDT by terilyn

Zacchino is a radical feminist. She promoted him at the LAT and then at the SF Chron when she moved up there. Beyond that, I know little about her.

25 posted on 05/22/2003 8:30:04 PM PDT by Bonaparte

"Speaking from the Black Panthers the Chairman and 2nd in command to Huey Newton, Bobby Scheer."

Wouldn't that be "Bobby Seale?"

26 posted on 05/22/2003 8:34:11 PM PDT by Bonaparte

Ouch! That's the real Clinton supporting Robert Scheer?

It's worse than I thought.

27 posted on 05/22/2003 8:51:03 PM PDT by HISSKGB

Could be? I'm just typing from Real Player. I've rewound several times. My understanding though is that this was a tape from Scheer?
I'll listen again. Thanks!

28 posted on 05/22/2003 9:07:08 PM PDT by terilyn

To: terilyn; Grampa Dave

No comments on the typo's/spelling LOL!

That is a lot of work you are doing! Don't even worry about typos (I didn't see any). This is great stuff. Thank you.

If Scheer is as off the wall as this guy, somebody should tape this. Pacifica Radio and Berkeley will might yank it from the net.

29 posted on 05/22/2003 9:07:15 PM PDT by DPB101

To: HISSKGB; Bonaparte

Yes, it's Bobby Seale, Sorry!

Trying to transcribe when you can't slow the speed is rather hilarious.

30 posted on 05/22/2003 9:08:24 PM PDT by terilyn

Several speakers. From the Berkeley site:

Includes speeches by Bobby Seale, Bettina Apthecker* (Free Speech Movement), Robert Scheer (Managing Editor, Ramparts Magazine), Bob Avakian (Peace & Freedom Party), and John Kelly (Professor of Mathematics, UC Berkeley).

Or there are supposed to be several. Are you getting just one person?

31 posted on 05/22/2003 9:10:26 PM PDT by DPB101

FYI - Ping to #30. It may make a difference.

32 posted on 05/22/2003 9:10:37 PM PDT by terilyn

So far. What I typed is only about 10% or so of what's there. It's very long.

I will probably have to finish it tomorrow. Eyes getting heavy.

33 posted on 05/22/2003 9:13:02 PM PDT by terilyn

I'm going to fast forward to the Scheer speech.

34 posted on 05/22/2003 9:14:11 PM PDT by terilyn

Great memories, huh? Several of the guys in the neighborhood passed the route around every few months. We would make enough to buy a new bike (I got a three speed, Stingray-style), or some other "expensive item," and let the next guy take over. I moved away in 7th grade before I got it back, but it was great while it lasted.

35 posted on 05/22/2003 9:22:34 PM PDT by capitan_refugio

No hurry. Appreciate the work. If they all had the same time to speak and are listed in order, Scheer should be about 20 to 30 minutes into the clip.

Just for reference: Pacifica has other Scheer audio which is not on line. Two of five:

Gaza day celebration in Berkeley / Robert Scheer. -- Los Angeles : Pacifica Radio Archive, 1971.

The Bombing of the Iranian consulate( in San Francisco) / Robert Scheer ; interviews by Pat Roberto. -- Los Angeles : Pacifica Radio Archive, 1972.

36 posted on 05/22/2003 9:29:39 PM PDT by DPB101

Robert Scheer and Clinton have a lot in common. Scheer was a bastard child who never knew his father (nor did his mother, for that matter). Clinton's father, William Jefferson Blyth, was not divorced from one of his earlier wives when he entered into a bigamist marriage to Clinton's mother. Blythe died before Junior was born. (Clinton was the name of Billy's drunken stepfather.)

37 posted on 05/22/2003 9:42:06 PM PDT by capitan_refugio

To: DPB101; Bonaparte; HISSKGB; Grampa Dave; Fracas

Here you go. Bob Scheer in all his glory!

The Managing Editor of Ramparts magazine, Bob Scheer.

Applause

Um…I don’t really understand the mood of this rally too much. I understand it less now. There seems to be something obscene or bizarre about seven kids being in jail for trying to stop the war and there’s music going on and the noise and this carnival atmosphere.

And my fear about the next few years in America is that people are going to be picked off and put in jail for long periods of time. Attempts will be made to crush the movement, and there are going to be very serious attempts. And most people in this society, even most people who think that they’re in opposition, will be able to go about their normal lives, maybe sign a few petitions.

I think this style of repression is a very modern one. It’s very selective. It’s very efficient. It’s aimed at intimidating people and shutting them up and allowing an illusion of freedom.

So, you have your great hippie revolt. That’s a fantastic thing. You see we’re all liberated. And we could go down there and enjoy ourselves on the other plaza. We could even have a little bit of free speech. As long as it doesn’t intrude on the society at all. And when it begins to intrude, then it’s going to be crushed. And it’s going to be crushed brutally. And it’s going to be crushed in the same style as the revolution of Vietnam or Cuba. It’s going to be crushed.

Because what we’re talking about in Vietnam, or here, is really a war of example. And what our society is saying to us is there are some things they will not tolerate abroad, or at home. And what our society is saying to us in Vietnam, and in the United States, is that we are going to make an example of those people who attempt to challenge our power.

And we now know, particularly because of the events of the last few weeks, that the war in Vietnam is clearly a war of example, aimed at crushing revolutions. Once the Hanoi Government said that it would negotiate if there was a halt in the bombing, once it gave it’s unconditional commitment to talks, and everyone knows that commitment was made, and the Administration continued it’s bombing, we knew that this was a war to the finish. This is a war for total victory. To establish the military supremacy of the United States Government, and to teach a lesson to people in the world that they cannot make the revolutions of their choice. That the only kind of peace that will be tolerated is the Roman peace.

And in this society, the only kind of freedom that we will have is the freedom of the Roman circus, of the carnival. And those people in this society who attempt to intrude, that attempt to prevent that war machine from functioning are going to be crushed, and crushed quite brutally. So the war of example in Vietnam has been brought home. And I think we should understand that and understand that very clearly.

And I think there’s something interesting about the fact that we used to think of Coakley as a right-winger. But what’s the difference between Coakley’s indictments and Johnson’s indictments? What’s the difference between the indictment of Mark Raskin and the indictment of Frank Barnakey (sp?)?

And now we’ve come to understand very clearly that the forces of hysteria and the forces of reaction in America do not exist just among the kooks of the right. They exist right at the center of our politics. And when Lyndon Johnson and Mark Raskin, very reasonable and respectable individuals…you know Mark Raskin who used to work on security affairs in the Kennedy Administration, he served notice to the Coakley’s in this Country that the time was at hand to crack down.

And we see in state after state now, there’s a very serious and very selective and very vicious repression. And the frightening thing is that most of our citizens don’t even know it’s going on. Most of our citizens are just quietly intimidated by it.

I thought that Professor Hirsch said something really honest yesterday when he said, “You know how intimidation works when you feel intimidated”. And he had to admit that he felt intimidated. And many people will be making that move from this part to that part. Because it’s a lot easier to revolt and be free over there than it is over here now days. And I think we ought to mark that. And what the government has done, (dog barking LOL), is put us all on the spot, and we have got to decide are we going to allow them to construct their Roman society? And are we going to allow them to let that stick in Vietnam, and are we going to allow them to make that example stick at home?

And I think the time is over when we can just talk about mild debate. You know, I’m carrying a magazine which I just happened to read, called, McLeans. It’s published in Canada. I guess it’s the white magazine of Canada. Only this week they had an issue on Vietnam, and I guess because they’re not as intimately involved, they can be more honest. And on page 14 they had a photograph of an American Marine…with his foot on the body of a Vietnamese peasant who was in a coma. And that Vietnamese peasant was just lying there and he had his foot on it and he had his hand held up with his gun in a trophy shot. The picture is in this magazine; it sells about a million copies. That man’s not going to go to jail. The people who send him there are not going to go to jail. But someone who attempts to intrude on what they’re doing there will go to jail. And I think the time is at hand where we have to challenge that notion of legality.

I don’t think we should deny the facts of what happened in Oakland. We should affirm their legitimacy. From a moral and political point of view of their having happened. I think we should argue that it is essential that dessent be taken off the campus and to the induction center. That dessent is not the luxury of intellectuals. That dessent is a charade unless it interferes with the society. Unless it stops people from going to Vietnam. Unless it stops the power in the society. And I think that the kind of struggle that we have to engage in is precisely the kind of struggle that intrudes.

And instead of being intimidated, we have to say that you were forced to arrest these people because they were effective. And we have learned a lesson from it. And we are going to shift our tactics more and more to those kind of tactics because they are effective. And were they not effective, you would not throw those people in jail. And I think that’s the lesson that has to be learned.

And we have to say that dissent cannot be a joke. Dissent cannot be a private matter. And dissent is unimportant in a society unless it forces a society to confront the enormity of its crimes. To consider in a deep sense what it is doing. And if it is true that our society is committed to preventing revolutions in the world, then we have to indicate our solidarity with those people that have resisted. And we have to act in the spirit of Jay Kavara (sp?), not because we were raised in the spirit of Jay Kavara, but because the times call for the spirit of Jay Kavara.

Applause

I say that not because it’s easy to sound revolutionary or romantic. Most of us were not born to be revolutionary or romantics. But I think again of a person like Mark Rask, or Koppell or Spock. These men. Mark Rask went to work in the White House with George Bundy because he thought he would bring peace to the world. He signed a complicity statement and he urged people not to go into the Army because he knew it was the only step a moral man could take at this time. People do not become Jay Kavara’s out of choice; they become Jay Kavara’s when the situation demands that they become Jay Kavara’s, if they have the personal integrity to meet that demand.

And what our society is saying to us at this time is that if your dissent is going to matter at all you are going to have to break with your lifestyle. And what I would urge is that we begin now to plan the next stop the draft week. And that all of us plan to be the leaders of that demonstration, not the followers. That we, all of us who have been speaking so long, and the teachings and writings that we step forward at this time and say we will lead the next stop the draft week. Be it professors, or be it journalists or what have you. (This dog doesn’t like him either. More barking).

And I think we have to take seriously the injunction of filling the jails. Not because it’s good to be in jail, not because we want to be martyrs. Not because we believe Washington is just, and when they see us in jail they’ll change. But because stop the draft weeks must continue. Because the Oakland injunction system just be closed down. And if the price of closing it down means you have to go to jail, then you have to go to jail.

And the lesson to be drawn from this experience is that Washington has upped the ante. They have said that the situation will be serious. That the game of dissent is over. And we are now in the spots. And we are now in the position of having to demonstrate to them that we will not accept their war of example anymore than the Vietnamese people accept it in their own country. And if we act in that spirit I know that we will win out. And if we don’t act in that spirit and we worry about our own personal happiness and our joy and our own personal liberation, then we have failed not only the people of Vietnam or Cuba, but we failed the people of the United States.

Applause

(Sheesh, can anybody say sanctimonious?)

38 posted on 05/22/2003 10:36:36 PM PDT by terilyn

Thanks for your hard work! You get kudo's for listening to this junk. LOL.

It's late and I want to read this in greater detail later, but you can note that Scheer is outlining 20 years ago the same things being said during this war. If you complain, you'll be crushed. Give me a break. I don't see Sarandon, Sheen, et al, doing without jobs. Sean Penn can complain, but his career wasn't so hot before he protested the war.

Before reading this, I knew someone in this group would invoke 'Che Guevera'...and I note this was Scheer's big applause line. Why am I not surprised.

The most intelligent being at this rally was the dog.

39 posted on 05/22/2003 10:56:06 PM PDT by Fracas

To: terilyn; Fracas

Terrific work! I would be transcribing until next week. Yours is probably the only transcript of what Scheer said anywhere. It deserves its own thread. Those on this forum who were serving in Viet Nam at the time I am sure would like to contact Mr. Scheer. Why don't you post it? Some sound bites in there Liddy, Hannity, O'Reilly or Rush might like to use when the topic of Scheer comes up (which it no doubt will). Transcripts are good but with the audio, they are explosive. Liddy reading what Scheer said and Scheer saying it himself with Liddy commenting are two different things entirely.

How would you characterize Scheer's tone? Restrained? Whiney? Incendiary?

Fracas...you beat me to it. This is exactly what the left is saying today. Actually it is what they were saying in 1918. John Reed wrote about how repressed Americans were, how we lived in a police state with no civil rights. Boilerplate marxism.

40 posted on 05/22/2003 11:11:55 PM PDT by DPB101

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