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Republicans and Gays: Social conservatives are not going to abandon Bush
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Posted on 05/21/2003 3:19:57 PM PDT by Utah Girl

David avid Horowitz has written another of his occasional screeds against social-conservative leaders. This time it was their demand that Republican National Committee chairman Marc Racicot never meet with representatives of gay-rights organizations that set Horowitz off. I largely agree with Horowitz's article — it's quite foolish to insist that such meetings never take place, just as it would be foolish to object to Racicot's meeting with union leaders or the NAACP — but let me make two additional observations.

First: Horowitz says that it is "intolerant" of the social conservatives to speak of a "gay agenda," as this implies uniformity of views among gays. This terminology, he says, concedes to the Left the ability to speak for all homosexuals (and, he argues, a bit less carefully, for all blacks and women as well). Coming from Horowitz, it is a perfectly fair point. What's odd is that the people who usually object to the phrase "gay agenda" are liberals and leftists who believe those representational claims. If the Human Rights Campaign did not believe there was a gay agenda — including equal marriage rights, hate-crimes laws, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and the like — it would have to go out of business. Indeed, even gay conservatives who constantly emphasize the diversity of views among homosexuals implicitly accept the existence of a gay agenda. They may not agree with the Human Rights Campaign about the precise content of that agenda; they may favor marriage rights but not hate-crimes laws. But they are willing to describe political figures as "anti-gay" on the basis of those figures' objections to those items on the agenda which they themselves support.

Second: There has been some talk in recent weeks about social conservatives' staying home during the next election. Horowitz criticizes those social conservatives who have encouraged this speculation for their political irresponsibility: "As a fellow conservative, I do not understand how in good conscience you can do this. Are you prepared to have President Howard Dean or President John Kerry preside over our nation's security? Do you think a liberal in the White House is going to advance the agendas of social conservatives? What can you be thinking?" (emphasis in original).

I would just make the point that the threats are idle. Social-conservative leaders have the bad habits of not setting priorities and of threatening more than they can deliver. The average social conservative likes President Bush. He appreciates that Bush has been solid on human cloning, funding for pro-abortion groups, and judicial appointments. He has kept the social-conservative position on the nondiscrimination act and every other gay-rights-related legislation one can think of. Gay marriage may become a controversy later this year, depending on the decision of the Massachusetts judiciary. But I assume the White House will find a way to oppose gay marriage without appearing to pick on or to demonize gay people. If the administration continues its current course — and does not nominate a squish to the Supreme Court — are social conservatives really going to stay home because Marc Racicot met with gay groups and the president didn't support Rick Santorum more forcefully? There is, as yet, no reason to expect that rank-and-file social conservatives are going to do anything other than run to the polls to reelect George W. Bush.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush43; davidhorowitz; gwb2004; homosexualagenda; logcabinrepublicans; marcracicot; profamily; rameshponnuru
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1 posted on 05/21/2003 3:19:57 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
There is, as yet, no reason to expect that rank-and-file social conservatives are going to do anything other than run to the polls to reelect George W. Bush.
I'm lacing up my cross-trainers even now.
2 posted on 05/21/2003 3:25:29 PM PDT by Asclepius (as above, so below)
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To: Utah Girl
I would just make the point that the threats are idle. Social-conservative leaders have the bad habits of not setting priorities and of threatening more than they can deliver.

It's just bluster.

The thing is, like some posters on this board, the social conservatives threaten to stay home and risk electing a Democrat, not seeming to realize that they too, will have to live under the Democrat.

Under whom they will get nothing. Nothing.

3 posted on 05/21/2003 3:26:31 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Asclepius
I'm one of those broken glass Republicans, I would crawl over broken glass to vote for President Bush. Am I happy with everything he has done? No, but he has done most of what I thought he would, plus he has turned out to be an excellent leader. I will work for his re-election campaign also.
4 posted on 05/21/2003 3:27:37 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
But I assume the White House will find a way to oppose gay marriage without appearing to pick on or to demonize gay people.

The gay rights lobby will not allow this. They have draw their line in the sand. Any attempt to court the gay vote will fail. So why bother?

5 posted on 05/21/2003 3:28:05 PM PDT by presidio9 (Homophobic and Proud!!!)
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To: sinkspur
Exactly. Plus, Gary Bauer was one of the people who met with Marc Racicot and made the threats. Bauer is a pipsqueak, I don't trust his motives.
6 posted on 05/21/2003 3:28:51 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl
These are Horowitz's neocon colors showing. Doctrinaire conservatives know that we don't need so-called "conservative" homosexuals on our side. We certainly don't need to sacrifice any principles to entice them to our cause. Doing so belies the moral validity of our stand and turns us into political whores, a neocon trademark.
7 posted on 05/21/2003 3:28:58 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Utah Girl
I have already written off the Republican party. More will do so everyday. I just hope it happens BEFORE disaster strikes.
8 posted on 05/21/2003 3:32:12 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: IronJack
Doing so belies the moral validity of our stand and turns us into political whores, a neocon trademark.
Dude. Neocons rule. Ask any Iraqi.

Pragmatism is the way, man. The way. Politics is the art of the possible.
9 posted on 05/21/2003 3:32:14 PM PDT by Asclepius (as above, so below)
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To: Utah Girl; sheltonmac; 4ConservativeJustices; Ff--150
Just another example of why the neocon agenda is not conservative. Keep taking us for granted, you do that. There won't be a leader that social conservatives have to listen to in order to stay home. Many will just stay home out of disgust
10 posted on 05/21/2003 3:32:33 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Many will just stay home out of disgust


Makes perfect sense to me.....
11 posted on 05/21/2003 3:38:33 PM PDT by deport
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To: sinkspur
>i>Under whom they will get nothing. Nothing.

As opposed to getting what?

12 posted on 05/21/2003 3:38:43 PM PDT by templar
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To: Utah Girl
Big deal. The 'social conservatives' are doing exactly what any other interest group does - trying to rattle the cage of their party's leadership in order to get their issues bumped up the priority list.

The correct response by the party's leadership is to rationally address their concerns, not tell a very important constituency to 'like it or lump it'. Its called politics.

13 posted on 05/21/2003 3:38:44 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Utah Girl
David Horowitz is spinning for damage control. Senator Santorum should be supported,and Racicot should go. The state I live in hasn't given it's Electoral College votes to a Democrat since Lyndon Johnson so If I choose to use my vote to send a message it's not going to affect the outcome one bit. It may get the GOP to work harder for,and not take for granted it's most loyal base.
14 posted on 05/21/2003 3:40:11 PM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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To: Asclepius; Utah Girl
Hear, hear!
15 posted on 05/21/2003 3:40:36 PM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: presidio9
The gay rights lobby will not allow this. They have draw their line in the sand. Any attempt to court the gay vote will fail. So why bother?

Really?
You know this how?

Based on their general competence in inside politics, I believe the Bush Whitehouse can develop a strategy beyond your conception or mine and beyond the ability of the Gay Mafia to spin.

Or do you contend that the Gay Mafia is smarter than the Bush Strategery Group?

So9

16 posted on 05/21/2003 3:40:58 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: sinkspur
they too, will have to live under the Democrat. Under whom they will get nothing. Nothing.

But if they blindly support bad Republicans, they will get LESS than nothing--both nothing and no party standing for their ideas.

17 posted on 05/21/2003 3:43:56 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: templar
As opposed to getting what?

As opposed to the solid social conservatism you are getting from Bush.

Bush talks to gays, appoints a gay or two to his administration, and you all-or-nothing unappeaseables are ready to abandon him.

Don't you realize that the far-right figures who would give you everything you want are simply unelectable (witness Howard Phillips and Pat Buchanan)?

I have to laugh like hell when I read on this board that Gore would have been no worse on social issues than Bush.

That's gross stupidity!

18 posted on 05/21/2003 3:45:58 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: templar
As opposed to getting what?

As opposed to the solid social conservatism you are getting from Bush.

Bush talks to gays, appoints a gay or two to his administration, and you all-or-nothing unappeaseables are ready to abandon him.

Don't you realize that the far-right figures who would give you everything you want are simply unelectable (witness Howard Phillips and Pat Buchanan)?

I have to laugh like hell when I read on this board that Gore would have been no worse on social issues than Bush.

That's gross stupidity!

19 posted on 05/21/2003 3:45:59 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
What conservative leader has threatened to not vote
for Bush? I don't think any have.
20 posted on 05/21/2003 3:47:21 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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