Posted on 05/21/2003 10:34:19 AM PDT by ConservativeVoice
Tov B. Brog © 2003
It's Our Existence, Stupid By Tov B. Brog |
May 21st 2003 Lets just cut to the chase. Forget about avoiding provocation. Stop agonizing over land-for-peace deals thatll never work. Quit thinking that the other side, whether they be Islamic fundamentalists going after the US, or Palestinians blowing up kids in Israel, is interested in any final deal that leaves us with breath in our bodies. They arent.
We need to get it through our heads that its our existence thats the problem here. We have to start taking the Bin-Ladens and the Arafats at their word. With Arafat its not the false message he plies us with in his broken, stuttering English. Its his words in Arabic, to his foaming-at-the-mouth followers, that broadcast his real intentions. In those speeches, he repeatedly refers to homicide bombers as martyrs; declares his dedication to the liberation of Al-Quds, Jerusalem to the rest of us; and makes clear his determination to follow the 1974 PLO plan for the liberation of Palestine. That particular roadmap lays out a step-by-step framework for destroying Israel, including the establishment of an interim Palestinian national authority that will serve as a springboard for the final assault. You want proof that he isnt interested in peace? Look at the deal Israels Prime Minister Barak was willing to give in 2001: a Palestinian state with shared sovereignty over Jerusalem, control of the Temple Mount, 92% of the West Bank, 100% of the Gaza strip, and a piece of Israels territory to make up the difference. Arafat didnt even counter the offer. He just walked out and started a bloody uprising. It isnt the land. It isnt Palestinian sovereignty. It isnt even Jerusalem. Its Israels existence that offends the Palestinians. If Israel were to surrender unconditionally, then, following the massacre of as many Jews as possible, thered be peace. In the meantime, for the Arabs, every compromise the US might come up with is only a stepping-stone to Israels demise. When all this happened, the Israeli left, having become a one-issue movement, all but collapsed. I know. I was there. They were like wide-eyed guppies that had just had acid dumped into their aquarium. So deluded were they that many still insisted on pursuing the discredited Oslo accord, explaining their lunacy by saying at least we have a plan. Thats like having your wife shoot your dog, burn down the house, clear out the bank account and run off with your best friend while you insist shell come back because its the only alternative you can think of. Have fun waiting. How about the possibility that shes not coming back, ever again, even in a thousand years? The Palestinians arent following any Roadmap to peace unless theyre dragged along kicking and screaming, with a gun to their head. So, cut to the global war on terror. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is symbolic of the more general one between the West and radical Islam. Its not support for Israel. Its not the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia. Its not even our economic and military superiority that resides at the core of their enmity towards us. Its our very existence that threatens them. And the friction between us cant be avoided. In a global economy, we have to interact with each other. We rely on them to meet our energy needs and they rely on us to provide the goods and services that keep their countries running. But they cant handle the collateral effects. The freedom that we take for granted is an obscenity to fundamentalist Islam, and its a threat to their authority. Over 70% of Iranians want closer ties to the US, according to recent polls. Theyre supreme leader, Ayatollah Khameni, has expressly forbidden such a move. From the time of Mohammed, he and his ilk have always applied a simple formula to their interaction with others: submit or die. There is no compromise. So, again, its our existence, stupid. Our tolerance, our desire for compromise and coexistence, is just another sign of our impending collapse, a colossal weakness to be exploited. There are only two ways to end our war on terrorism. We can destroy the terrorists, eliminate their sponsors and intimidate their sympathizers into inaction, or; we can submit to their authority and convert, or accept second-class citizenship, under an Islamic regime. You only need to look at their public pronouncements and published writings to see the truth. They make no effort to hide their true intentions. When Mein Kampf was published in 1925, Hitler spelled out his plans in detail. The world ignored him and paid an awful price. Lets hope our generation avoids the same mistake. Open your eyes and open your ears. This is a fight to the death. The sooner we accept that, the better off well be. Just as the Israeli Labor Party nearly led their country to disaster, our own appeasers, including the Arabists in our State Department, will try to push us down the path of compromise. Thats a deal with the Devil that we dare not make. For the sake of our country, our civilization and future generations, we cant allow that to happen. Its us, or them. |
Translation: Kill all the Palestinians! Carpet bomb them! Pound it into their heads! Nuclear fire, plague, and wholesale annihilation!
No, you want no part of Israel defending itself. You seem perfectly comfortable with genocide when it's directed against Jews. Your ilk are the type for whom we say "Never again!"
What do you mean, "we", Kemo Sabe?
Don't let the screen door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya.
I will never again post on a Mideast thread if you can back up your statement in post #43 ("You seem perfectly comfortable with genocide when it's directed against Jews."). You provide proof and I'm gone.
However, if you cannot back up your lie claim, then you leave, never to post again on a Mideast thread.
Deal?
My solution? For starters, how about Israel comply with UN Resolutions 242 (passed almost 40 years ago), 338 (passed 30 years ago), and 1435 (last year)? However, 338 reaffirmed 242, and 1435 reaffirms 242, 338, 1397, 1402, and 1403.
But then again, maybe "Kill all the Palestinians" is more appealing to the posters on this thread.
Your statements eleswhere on this thread show that you have no real knowledge of the history and politics of Israel, and are just echoing the lies of so many other Jew-haters. I do not expect you to keep your word, but I will not let your venom go unanswered.
Bzzzt! Wrong. I simply questioned the collective statement "we". Although the author would like to portray this as a common struggle, it is not.
I'll expect you to keep your part of the bargain and disappear. Adios, and watch that screen door.
Now, after being attacked by Al-Qaida (#25 on the list), suddenly it's a "collective" struggle? Geez, who should the U.S. go after next? Hmmmm, let me guess. Does it have anything to do with Israel?
What do you think the U.S. is, The Orkin Man you call in to take care of the roaches in your house? Perhaps if you cleaned up your own house, you wouldn't have roaches, dumbo.
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