[Doc-Joe]

And the infrastructure isn’t just physical, but social as well. I have a bachelor’s and a master’s from the University of California, and it is a truism the public university has changed people’s lives.

Finally, charity and hope.

We spent Saturday night at the annual fundraiser for the St. Joseph’s Center in Venice. This hasn’t been a brilliant year for us financially, but we managed to give some away anyway, and enjoyed the company of a bunch of people who were doing pretty much the same thing.

OMG! I also have a BS and an MA from a public university. I give more than I can afford to charity and have volunteered countless hours. I guess I am also a liberal. Wait... My brain is still intact. Nevermind.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

>>"But does it tell you we’ve accomplished something when the biggest nutritional problem among the very poor is obesity?"

It tells us that the worst day for the poorest American is like Disneyland for the vast majority of the world.

We have a gift - Freedom. Paid for in blood. We should do all we can to secure it for the next generation.

[Billthedrill]

LA is a hole. It wouldn't be there if it didn't leech water and power off a three-state area. But practice your Spanish, son...

[RichInOC]

Clean air? Do you actually live in Southern California?

[Bars4Bill]

[Dead Dog]

"WHY I’M A LIBERAL?"


Lead Toxicity, it hinders reasoning. Possibly a combination of FAS and eating lead paint chips as a child.

[aught-6]

why I am a liberal....first, the clean air.

Clean air in L.A.? Yeah right. You must be smokin somethin. Maybe that's really why you're a liberal.

[evad]

..and all the snail darters you can eat :)

[poet]

You are a liberal because you have your two feet firmly planted in the air!

I bet you believe our gov't "educational" system is also top notch.

[corlorde]

The word "Clinton" is reason enought not to be associated with the word "liberal."

[drq]

hehe...here's another one chained to the wrong building.

[Our man in washington]

I think this liberal is taking credit for ideas that aren't really liberal.

Few conservatives would deny that regulations are sometimes needed. Does anyone on this board think it should be legal for a company to locate by the Mississippi River and dump raw sewage in it that makes the river a health hazard for the next 500 miles? Of course not.

The fact is that in the early seventies before catalytic converters were mandated, the air in the cities had gotten really bad. Either we were going to need a way to deal with the pollution or we had a legitimate public health crisis on our hands. Lots of conservatives supported the legislation and few would want to repeal it now.

This guy is doing a straw man argument: he suggests that because conservatives oppose unnecessary regulations, conservatives oppose necessary ones. The debate in this country isn't over whether we should have regulation or we shouldn't have regulation. The debate is over the line between needed and excessive.

For example, I don't think the government should be telling localities that they have to spend millions to clean up trivial amounts of arsenic in the water. But if the air gets so bad that it does someone more harm than good to walk a mile in the city, that is a legitimate government issue.

To sum up, his argument is:

1. Liberals support some regulaton.
2. I support some regulation.
3. Therefore, I am a liberal.
4. Everyone who likes some regulation should be a liberal.

It would be like saying:

1. The Philadelphia Phillies play baseball games.
2. I like watching baseball games.
3. Therefore, I am a Philadelphia Phillies fan.
4. Everyone who likes watching baseball games should be a Philadelphia Phillies fan.

[dead]

This guy is the perfect example of a liberal.

He thinks that somebody should do something about air pollution as he joy rides around all day on his motorcycle.

[Only1choice____Freedom]

Of course, life can be beautiful if you live in a fantasy.

When you have to deal with a reality that imposes itself upon you fantasy you have a problem. When you can ignore the problems in your neighborhood and blame your troubles on somebody else, you can be happy for a while.

The problem with being a Liberal is you don't have to face the pain of growing up and facing the reality that you are wrong.

When faced with the choice of believing yourself or that you are wrong and the world is different that you understand it, Liberals make excuses and blame others for their failures. Adults have grown to accept the fact that they are wrong sometimes and adjust their view of reality to accept the new map of reality.

Evil comes when you believe the lies you tell yourself.

[Rennes Templar]

You're a lib because you can reason in the same manner as they all do, deluding yourself into justifying beliefs that have no basis in physical reality.

I tried it once and had to be medicated for a while.
Recovered fully thank God.

[wayoverontheright]

First, the clean air.

Then why is Kyoto needed?

And the infrastructure isn’t just physical, but social as well. I have a bachelor’s and a master’s from the University of California, and it is a truism the public university has changed people’s lives.

Churning out liberals daily.

We spent Saturday night at the annual fundraiser for the St. Joseph’s Center in Venice. This hasn’t been a brilliant year for us financially, but we managed to give some away anyway, and enjoyed the company of a bunch of people who were doing pretty much the same thing.

I knew the warm fuzzy couldn't be far off....."we on the left are such wonderfully charitable people, we care so much more than those on the right....hey let's FORCE them to help us by increasing their taxes... yeah, that's the ticket!!

Look, I know that the biggest beneficiaries of the welfare programs in the last fifty years have been the people who work for the welfare departments.

I could have sworn it was you guys who fought us tooth and nail to change welfare.

But does it tell you we’ve accomplished something when the biggest nutritional problem among the very poor is obesity?

It tells me only that the system you people oppose has delivered, if the poor are less poor it is not because of your government programs.

[Teacher317]

Let's see... you listed clean air, infrastructure, hope and charity.

The first one I'll grant you... conservatives typically don't scream loud enough early enough on the environment, outside of hunters protecting their future. From time to time, I do appreciate having the Left help temper the Right. However, environmentalists have caused far more problems than they have helped solve because of their extremism. If nuclear technology were allow to grow normally, our dependence on foreign oil would be far diminished. (PA gets more than 1/4 of it energy from nuclear plants, despite the HUGE hurdles you people put up, and yet there have been zero deaths, injuries, or emergencies in decades.) It's safer than it has ever been, yet liberals have this irrational fear of some nuclear boogeyman. It's ridiculous, and hurts the nation.

Infrastructure: I can't help but think of the compliment bestowed upon the National Socialists of Germany: they kept the trains running on time. For the most part, if something is worth doing, a private enterprise will get the job done. Government does contract for important things like dams, but there's nothing liberal or conservative about that... the only difference that is apparent to me is that liberals want a BIG government to do LOTS of infrastruture projects. Unfortunately, they have to steal LOTS of our money to do it. "That government which governs least, governs best." The more you ask government to do for you, the less freedom you have. It's a bad road to be on, but you can turn around at any time.

Hope: to be perfectly frank, the liberal movement only brings hopelessness. Look at the race issue. It is far better than it has ever been in this country, and yet liberals today specifically state that it is as bad as ever. Where is the hope in that? Liberals love to punish those who become financially successful through their own hard work. How does that inspire hope to the poor? Liberals think that abortion is the one "right" that should have no limits. What hope does abortion bring to anyone? Liberals want to take away my guns. How can I ever hope to protect my family if I can be out-muscled by any two teenagers? How does wanting to imitate the utter failure of Socialism bring a hopeful future for the nation?

Charity. Here is your biggest misnomer. It is NOT charity on your part to help vote my dollars away from me into the pockets of others. Charity is when you use your own dollars and labor to help others. Forcing me at gunpoint (and those IRS agents ARE armed) to contribute to your favorite progerams is oppression, not charity. Free individuals who keep the fruits of their labors and use them to help others become independent out of the goodness of their hearts (or with their church, which liberals also seek to incapacitate and replace) are the definition of charity... NOT the force of government giving bare handouts to merely keep the poor dependent.

Finally, the implication that clean air, infrastructure, hope, and charity are not conservative concerns or traits is childishly naive. It is those very same conservative principles of self-help, keeping what you earn, freedom from government intrusion, that define the American Dream and compels millions of people to come here every year. Liberal paradises like Sweden, France, and Canada never see this kind of immigration, for one specific reason... American is the land of Hope and Opportunity, expressly because of those conservative, capitalistic principles. History and millions of immigrants show that Conservatism is the ideology of hope, not liberalism.

[Mr. Mojo]

The population of Southern California has gone up by about 60% since 1970, ....And I remember summer days in high school when you couldn’t see the end of my West LA block for the smog. Two-a-days in the pool at school when you spent the day with “aqualung”—a chest so sore you couldn’t raise your voice.

Yeah, and what exactly does this have to do with liberalism? I grew up in L.A. too, and I remember the smog-filled lung-hurting days as well. The worst of the air pollution problem was during ultra-liberal Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown's tenure as Governor.

What makes you think conservatives are against reasonable environmental regulations on pollution? We like to drink clean water and breath clean air too, you know. Most conservatives are conservationists. Liberals aren't any more concerned about pollution than we are; their main concern is with getting as many people on the government dole as possible, creating a class of serfs.

[Maigrey]

Huh? What are your reasons? I seemed to have missed it in your diatribe.

[unixfox]