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New York Gun Control Alert! Call and Write Your Representatives!

Posted on 05/19/2003 10:26:44 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

NEW YORK

The Assembly Codes Committee has sent a number of bills that would impact law-abiding gun owners, hunters, and sportsmen to the full Assembly for consideration.

They include A 3311, which would prohibit the sale of any pistol or revolver not containing a "child proofing" device; A 7039 (same as S 4453) which bans the sale, use, and possession of .50-caliber firearms; and A 8285, which would prohibit the purchase of more than one pistol or revolver in a thirty-day period.

Two bills being pushed by New Yorkers Against Gun Violence (NYAGV) are A 8542, which would expand the current ballistic "identification" program to include rifles and shotguns and A 8456, which would place many new onerous restrictions and requirements on firearm dealers. A 8542 was just introduced on May 14th and referred to the Codes Committee. A 8456 was referred by the Codes Committee to the Assembly Ways and Means Committee. Please contact your Assembly member and urge him to OPPOSE the proposals listed above.

Also, the Senate Codes Committee has sent S 1111 (same as A 2397), which would establish the presumption that handgun license applicants have "proper cause" for issuance, and S 1244 (same as A 2730), which would limit a licensing officer`s discretion in imposing additional restrictions on a licensee not otherwise provided for in law, to the full Senate for consideration. Please contact your State Senator and encourage SUPPORT for this critical reform measure.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; US: New York
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To: Travis McGee
Re:"They put a lot of faith in firing pin and chamber marks."

Yes, juries are impressed by lab techs high magnification photos and the ubiquitous phrase of the professional technocrat dissembler "this is consistent with that". Of course, any inconsistencies found are often over-looked or not reported. Lab techs aren't paid to generate evidence favorable to the defense. Few defendents can afford independent reviews of forensic evidence, and of course, any exculpatory Brady Material is easily left forgotten in the back of some cabinet or desk drawer. Prosecutors are required to disclose exculpatory evidence, but if they are never informed of the possibility because they are filtered out by helpful lab techs, then everybody is happy.

21 posted on 05/20/2003 9:24:23 AM PDT by LibTeeth
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To: LibTeeth
It's just about felonizing every aspect of gun ownership.

Failure to comply with this law, ie changing a broken firing pin without filling out the right paperwork first and taking your gun in to the state lab for re-testing, will make you a felon, with total loss of gun rights and mandatory minimum prison time.

The mandataory annual retesting to accout for wear will be at your cost, and your gun will be at the lab for a few months due to the backlog.

But that's your problem.

22 posted on 05/20/2003 9:29:04 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Actually it's everybody's problem as the crime stats in England show what happens when the righteous are encumbered and the criminal classes at both ends of the economic spectrum are out of control. Of course, with all the law enforcement exemptions to most gun control laws in this country, the rational response is to join a Sheriff's Posse, or Auxiliary and just get in on the scam. It's better to be holding the gun than looking into the muzzle of someone else's.
23 posted on 05/20/2003 9:35:00 AM PDT by LibTeeth
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To: LibTeeth
I don't care to be a capo or citizen's auxillery in anyone's gestapo.
24 posted on 05/20/2003 9:41:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
How exactly does one go about fingerprinting a shotgun?
25 posted on 05/20/2003 10:46:14 AM PDT by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange! http://www.azfire.org)
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To: goldstategop
Guns are already verboten in NYC

For sure - even those with carry permits are supposed to have trigger locks on when inside the city limits...I guess they're supposed to club assailants...

26 posted on 05/20/2003 12:10:05 PM PDT by trebb
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To: blackbart.223
That was my first reaction...but being in CA, I know I have yet to give up. Hope they don't either.
27 posted on 05/20/2003 12:31:27 PM PDT by madison46 (Bandwagon was full when it left the gate - I hope it remains too full for frogs & co.)
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To: blackbart.223
How the hell are they going to get any "fingerprint" from birdshot or buckshot?
28 posted on 05/20/2003 2:01:26 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
"Yeah, we also know that .50 caliber firearms are the gangbanger's choice for blowing peoples' heads off. Just the other day I saw a thug carrying a huge thirty-three pound .50 BMG rifle with an eight pound .50 AE Desert Eagle stuck in his sagging pants."

The gun control crowd can't be bothered with facts. In typical liberal fasion they respond with blind emotion.

29 posted on 05/20/2003 9:41:13 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: ought-six
"How the hell are they going to get any "fingerprint" from birdshot or buckshot?"

See post six. Travis makes a good point.

30 posted on 05/20/2003 9:46:32 PM PDT by blackbart.223
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To: Travis McGee
They're already setting this system up in NJ and MD.

Hate to say it, but it's starting to look like time to split the sheets......populations are growing in Socialist America, the cities suck the life out of the country -- and the young people. To save what's left of America, we might have to give The World's Smartest Woman and her cloven-hoofed master their pound of flesh, and cut off everything east of the Hudson River, or maybe the Susquehanna.

Then we'd still have to fight for what's left, but at least we'd have a chance.

Otherwise, we'll just have to squat in our houses until they come for us, and that will be the end of America. It's happened to other peoples, you know. It can happen here.

31 posted on 05/21/2003 4:01:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: EBUCK
They will "fingerpring" (sic) the markings on the spent shell casing.
32 posted on 05/21/2003 4:32:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ought-six
They will "fingerprint" the marks left on the empty shell.
33 posted on 05/21/2003 4:33:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Yes, it certainly can happen here, but I don't see any convenient geographical divide this time.
34 posted on 05/21/2003 4:34:17 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
They put a lot of faith in firing pin and chamber marks.

Actually none at all. This is simply a means of raising the barrier for gun cost and hence ownership. It's a cynical exercise in trying to kill a God given, Constitutionally protected right by regulation. New Yorkers - what a bunch of good little communists.

35 posted on 05/21/2003 4:36:59 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: from occupied ga
Totally. It's a ploy.
36 posted on 05/21/2003 4:38:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes, it certainly can happen here, but I don't see any convenient geographical divide this time.

Anything to split them up.

37 posted on 05/21/2003 4:52:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Travis McGee; from occupied ga
Concur.

We need to start by figuring out how the Socialists got control of the cities. The New Urban Politics came out 30 years ago and described how conservative constituencies in many areas of the country lost their city politics to a new urban "audience" of liberals, led by political contributors and foundations. It was very common for mayors of cities with very conservative constituencies of e.g. Catholic ethnics, to become heroes of the Left by "growing", and eventually by looking their constituents in the eye and "doing the right thing" in spite of their constituents' wishes. Recent example: Governor Lowell Weicker rammed a personal income tax through the Connecticut legislature, despite popular opposition going back generations, and he was rewarded with a Profile in Courage award presented him by Caroline Kennedy Schlossburg for "exhibiting leadership" and "doing the right thing".

By being the source of substantial discretionary dollars in both political campaigns and city budgets, these groups were able to get urban pols' attention and compete successfully with constituents whose moneys were contributed by taxation, and therefore captive. To the politician of 40 years ago, the next effective dollar came from outside his constituencies, and so those were the interests his policies had to satisfy, in order to keep the moneys coming in.

The local pols appoint the police chiefs, and that accounts for the opinion split between line police officers and chiefs over the RKBA issue. The chiefs have been captured just like the mayors, city managers, and comptrollers were.

"It's all about the money, honey." Therefore, Step One is to make it not about the money, and to get the liberal manipulators to step back and stop interfering.

38 posted on 05/21/2003 5:06:11 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus
I agree with your diagnosis but am clueless about remedies.
39 posted on 05/21/2003 7:03:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
All the more reason to clean up yer brass (shells)...
40 posted on 05/22/2003 8:13:23 AM PDT by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange! http://www.azfire.org)
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