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Shiites March in Baghdad Against U.S.
Associated Press ^ | 05-20-03

Posted on 05/19/2003 9:25:20 PM PDT by Brian S

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Thousands of Shiite Muslims staged the largest protest against America's presence in Iraq since the war's end with a noisy but peaceful rally. The well-organized march Monday was policed by men carrying AK-47s who did not confront nearby U.S. soldiers keeping watch.

Since Saddam Hussein's ouster by coalition troops last month, there has been a spate of smaller gatherings, some of them hundreds strong, demanding that occupying forces withdraw. But Monday's march was the largest, and had a distinct political message.

Carrying portraits of ayatollahs and other religious leaders, the crowd, which swelled at one point to 10,000, chanted "No Shiites and no Sunnis - just Islamic unity" and sang religious songs. "No to the foreign administration," one banner unfurled by the marchers said.

The march was the latest show by Shiites of their newfound power in postwar Iraq - though they sought to show unity with Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority by starting the march at a Sunni mosque. A lone Sunni cleric took part in the rally, and it was unclear how many Sunnis were in the crowd.

"What we are calling for is an interim government that represents all segments of Iraqi society," said Ali Salman, an activist.

Organizers sprayed participants with water to cool them off, and monitors formed human chains around the crowd to ensure that the marchers stayed in line and no violence occurred.

Small groups of U.S. infantrymen, including snipers deployed on nearby rooftops, watched the rally but did not intervene. Several dozen Shiite organizers armed with assault rifles patrolled the area. They, too, were left alone by the Americans.

The U.S.-led Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance said it didn't mind such demonstrations but expressed confidence that a majority of Iraqis welcome the new authorities.

The marchers went from the Sunni mosque in the capital's northern district of Azimiyah and crossed the Tigris River to Kadhamiya, a neighborhood that is home to one of the holiest Shiite shrines in Iraq.

Two dozen Shiite clerics in turbans and black robes led the march, standing in the back of a huge truck to address the predominantly male crowd.

"What we want is a united Iraq," said Mohammed al-Fatous, a 31-year-old Shiite cleric from al-Thawra, a Baghdad district formerly known as Saddam City that is home to 2 million Shiites. The procession was organized mainly by religious groups from al-Thawra.

"We want a nation that's run by honest people who are elected by the people of Iraq," said al-Fatous. "We don't want charlatans."

Many Iraqis are suspicious of exiled opposition politicians who returned following Saddam's fall and are elbowing for power. Some have called the returnees American stooges who are trying to implement a Western-style political system unsuitable for Iraq.

Some marchers carried portraits of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran, senior Iraqi Shiite clerics and Imam Hussein, one of Shiite Islam's most revered saints. Many also carried portraits of Imam Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr, a Shiite cleric killed in Najaf in 1999. His death is widely blamed on Saddam's agents.

Shiites make up 60 percent of Iraq's estimated 24 million people but were politically sidelined and persecuted under Saddam, a member of Iraq's Sunni minority whose 23-year rule was ended by U.S.-led coalition forces last month.

The Sunni-Shiite split in Islam dates back to a succession crisis after the death of the Prophet Muhammad in the 7th century.

Under Saddam, many top Shiite clerics and activists were murdered, jailed or forced into exile. Since his fall, Iraq's Shiite leaders are eager to project an image of Muslim unity. They have played down differences between their sect and the country's mainstream Sunni group, which encompasses the majority of Islam's estimated 1.2 billion followers.

Shiites have swiftly moved to fill the power vacuum Saddam left behind, taking charge of Shiite neighborhoods in Baghdad and cities across the country where members of the sect are the majority. Also, for the first time in years, Shiites have resumed the public practice of some of their rituals, including flying black flags atop their homes.


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To: CyberAnt
I dont think we have a good comparison re. Japan and Germany's reconstruction versus Iraq.

1. Japan was allowed to keep it's emperor, that in itself gave "face" to much of the Japanese population and helped legitimize US rule.

2. Japan's ability to resist was crushed. Iraqi's and other Muslim fruitcakes have plenty of resistance left in them.

3. Japan had, and still has, a disciplined population that has a culture with a belief in the rule of the emperor and his law. Retaining the emperor was the crucial move in stabilizing Japan post war. No such parallel exists in Iraq.

4. Both Japan and Germany are not peopled with uneducated barbarians-(even though many Jews and Chinese may disagree). Force of law is usually enough to keep these populations in line. Force of arms is the ONLY thing that keeps most Muslim nations in line.

5. I agree that it will take time to establish order in Iraq, but the rule of law has never really existed in the Middle East. Our work is cut out for us.

21 posted on 05/20/2003 12:25:41 AM PDT by Tin-Legions
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To: roob
I'm afraid the Shiites are going to be a big problem. How can they be handled?

Napalm.
22 posted on 05/20/2003 12:58:50 AM PDT by Praxeas
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To: Praxeas
My thought on the matter......it wouldnt surprise me at all if many of these protesters sre actually Iranian or even Syrian nationals sent by those governments to create an uprising, as well as play to the cameras in order to make the U.S. and the coalition lose face in the eyes of the rest of the world.
23 posted on 05/20/2003 1:55:13 AM PDT by priceofreedom
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To: Hugin
Thousands (how many?) marched. Hundreds of thousands didn't.

Agreed, not to worry, the ones that marched are all full of shiite anyway...

25 posted on 05/20/2003 5:09:34 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: mikmak
After all, why did we invade one oil-rich country to oust a dictator while the world is swarming with dictators that are a lot worse than Saddam Hussein, but don't have oil...

Perhaps we invaded Iraq not because it was the country with oil, but the country with Anthrax, ya think? Early reports let slip that the method used to weaponize the Anthrax used in the US was based on bentonite clay. That is the Iraqi method. Even we do not know how to make it that way. Very clear indications that Saddam was not only training Al Queda, but arming them with WMD.

Random Dictators can screw up their country all they want, after all it is their country, but when they screw up our country, we will screw up their country. And trust me, we know how to put on the screws...

26 posted on 05/20/2003 5:16:47 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: mikmak
Welcome to Free Republic.
27 posted on 05/20/2003 6:10:55 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Brian S
We didn't kill enough of them during the liberation.
28 posted on 05/20/2003 6:14:57 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (You say Muss-lim, I say Moose-limb; Let's call the whole thing off.)
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To: Brian S
I'm beginning to think we need to forget about "nation building". Clean out these cesspools of any Al-Queda, Hamas, etc. operatives, deplete their armies of weapons and leave them to their own devices. They don't understand democracy, don't want it and can't handle it if we gave it to them on a silver platter. If they want to remain in the dark-ages that's their problem.
29 posted on 05/20/2003 6:19:37 AM PDT by ladtx ("...the very obsession of your public service must be Duty, Honor, Country." D. MacArthur)
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To: ladtx
Don't give up yet.There are murderers and thiefs in America.Look at the peace marchers we had here. There can be progress made.
31 posted on 05/20/2003 7:13:01 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Brian S
I think the US Government should print up copies of the Federalist Papers in Arabic and pass them out the Iraqis.

Maybe that will give them something to think about.
32 posted on 05/20/2003 7:14:06 AM PDT by Chewbacca (My life is a Dilbert cartoon.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
"IMO this is being orchestrated by Iran."

Everyone in the media KNOWS this - and, to the last man - none will put it in a news story. The mullahs and their henchmen in Iran are behind every last demonstration - and everyone knows it.

Michael

33 posted on 05/20/2003 7:22:29 AM PDT by Wright is right! (Have a profitable day!)
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To: roob
"handled?" Ah...for the days when we actually thought other peoples should be allowed to govern themselves not be be ruled by their U.S. "betters."
34 posted on 05/20/2003 7:25:07 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: ladtx
I agree - that democracy cannot be established in Iraq because the vast majority believe in a god allah who is insistent that his enemies be either forced to pay a humiliation tax if they wish to live in territory he controls or be killed for trying to promote faith in any god except him. The god worshipped by Muslims is not only intolerant of any rivals but insists that no other rivals be promoted in territory he controls through his true believers. Muslims, when in the majority and they are really believers in this god, must be faithful to him and this god does not permit democracy in which religious freedom is permitted. THe whole basis of American democracy is the free exercise of religion - not Christianity - but the free exercise of whatever religion you wish to practice. When Christians are not permitted to speak publicly of Jesus Christ and tell the good news about His death for our sins and His resurrection - that He is God and He made Himself flesh for us - then democracy will not be permitted. I doubt the government we help them establish will permit Christians to share publicly this good news about Jesus Christ. That is violation of Muslim law and will not be tolerated. As long as it is not permitted to speak the name of Jesus Christ in public and help others come to know Him as Lord and Savior a nation will not enjoy peace nor ever be a place where democracy is really practiced.
35 posted on 05/20/2003 7:25:30 AM PDT by kkindt (knightforhire.com)
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To: ladtx
Well...we agree but the Wilsonians in the Bush administration who gave us this war (WMD and Al Quada lins were just diversions) are not about to pack up and go home. Some of us said this a long time ago.
36 posted on 05/20/2003 7:26:39 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: roob
I'm afraid the Shiites are going to be a big problem.

Actually this is a very positive article. Why? No one was killed, the clerics blew off some steam, and they got (with permission) to show force. You can't take a 7th century mentality/culture into the 21st century in a matter of weeks without some growing pains.

5.56mm

37 posted on 05/20/2003 7:36:50 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Tin-Legions
but the rule of law has never really existed in the Middle East

2350 BCE Urakaina's Code (Mesopotamia)
2050 BCE Ur-Nammu's Code (Ur, Sumeria)
1700 BCE Hammurabi's Code (Babylon)

Seems the "rule of law" actually originated in the middle east.

38 posted on 05/20/2003 7:59:08 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: Tin-Legions
I was speaking strickly to street reactions of the Iraqi people vs. how the people of Japan reacted. It was the same, emperor or not!!
39 posted on 05/20/2003 1:43:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: mikmak
When is it going to get through to you that the reason we went to Iraq was first, to disarm a brutal dictator and secondly to make life better for the people that had to live with him. If these people have the freedom to demonstrate against the U.S. then their lives have already gotten better.......Get it?
40 posted on 05/20/2003 4:50:11 PM PDT by priceofreedom
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