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Backfire--Democrats discover gun control doesn't win elections.
Wall St Journal ^ | May 19, 2003

Posted on 05/19/2003 5:45:32 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It's no surprise that Republicans in Congress aren't eager to renew the ban on certain semiautomatic firearms due to expire next year. What's more interesting is why Democrats aren't raising much of a fuss about it.

Our suspicion is that the left has learned the hard way that gun control is a political loser. The first signs came in 1994, after Bill Clinton successfully urged the Democrat-controlled House and Senate to pass legislation outlawing 19 types of "assault" weapons. In November of that year, several Democrats who had supported the ban, including then-House Speaker Tom Foley of Washington, were voted out of office in the Republican sweep. Mr. Clinton later said crossing gun owners cost his party more than 20 seats. In 1995, the House voted to repeal the ban, which wouldn't even have passed without a sunset provision, but the effort died in the Senate.


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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"We are scheduled to win this campaign, UNLESS...idolaters...will settle for nothing less than... their false god in Washington."

I fully agree, we loose our freedom or win it back one campaign at a time.

As for each campaign, we must keep our cards close to our vest, and play when advantage is best.
61 posted on 05/19/2003 9:17:24 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (If he's a cowboy, then I like cowboys)
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To: 556x45
I hope you're correct.
62 posted on 05/19/2003 10:11:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SJackson
A jury rejected that claim last week, but the presiding judge, Jack Weinstein, has the final say and is expected to find for the plaintiffs.

What kind of judicial system would we have if all judges were appointed by democrats?

63 posted on 05/19/2003 10:21:50 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: SJackson
"It's no surprise that Republicans in Congress aren't eager to renew the ban on certain semiautomatic firearms due to expire next year. What's more interesting is why Democrats aren't raising much of a fuss about it."

They're not? Chuckie Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein are sure raising some hell about renewing the ban.

64 posted on 05/19/2003 10:24:11 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It is not necessary for Dubya to expound upon the Constiution, the Second Amendment and Patrick Henry the way some knee-jerk "conservatives" demand.

It may not be "necessary" but it would be nice. It would certainly raise my morale several notches.

All Congress has to do is ignore it, and they can easily do that if it stays off the radar screen.

But Lizzard Face, Fineswine and pretty much every talking head in the country aren't going to let it stay off the radar screen. Several convenient bloodletting may also help keep it "on screen".

65 posted on 05/19/2003 10:33:08 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: caltrop
So far, 44 pilots have been permitted to arm themselves. If even Barbara Boxer wants them armed, why can't Bush simply require that pilots be armed whenever they carry US Mail?

He doesn't even need to do that. The law allows for pilots to be armed. What the President should do is kick his Homeland Security Chief in the kiester, who whould then kick the head of the Transportation Security Adminstration in the same delicate spot, and have them revise the currently overly restrictive rules for arming pilots and specifying how they may transport their firearms. Most especially the requirement for pilots to be "federal flight deck officers", I guess under the notion that only government agents should have guns. Those rules are not in the law, they are bureacratic rules, so they can be changed with a "stroke of the pen".

66 posted on 05/19/2003 10:50:46 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: SJackson
How about "Health Care"?

Will that work?

67 posted on 05/19/2003 10:52:22 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Zack Nguyen
Our political positions stem from our religion, or lack thereof. Politics, may be war, but if divorce it from truth, we will find ourselves losing even if we win.

Then there is the minor matter of the Constitution, which all the members of Congress, the federal judges, the federal officeholders and the President have sworn to uphold. Character counts, as we learned only too well in the 1993-2000 period. What are we to think of people who take that oath casually, or appear to do so at any rate? If politics be a form of war, in war there are some rules, and the first rule in this case is the Constitution.

68 posted on 05/19/2003 11:00:08 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ignoring renewal of the AWB is not an option. The bills are already filed, with mulitiple sponsers. The real danger is that their language will get incorporated in some must pass omibuss legislation and/or horse traded in for tax cuts or something else that the Republican leadership wants. (The trading might even be between the leadership and elements within the party). Incorporation in an ombibuss crime bill is how we got the original AWB in the first place.

69 posted on 05/19/2003 11:07:18 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Destructor
And they are not alone: Here are the sponsers of two of the "renewal" bills (I put that in quotes because neither simply renews the current ban. The Senate version makes it permanent and also bans import of >10 round magazines, no matter when manufactured, while the house version bans many more guns, including all of the AR-15 clones, AK clones, FN/FAL and G-3 Rebuilds etc, which currently are allowe because they only have one "evil" feature, by reducing to one the number of such features required to ban the firearm, and it also defines a "thumbhole" stock as a pistol grip, which is one of the indicated features)

For the Senate bill S.1034 : Mrs. FEINSTEIN (for herself, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. CHAFEE, Mr. JEFFORDS, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mrs. BOXER, and Mr. REED)

for the House version HR 2038 (which I think is mostly distraction designed to take our eyes off the "milder" Senate version) Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York (for herself, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr. WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE, Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY, Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr. MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs. TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN)

70 posted on 05/19/2003 11:37:23 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Hastert saying ANYTHING would put it on the radar screen and give the DEMONcRATS and the Liberal press a wedge issue to shriek about.

Just as some here bashed Bush for not coming out and putting it on the radar screen. Some even called him a Rino gun-confiscator. But then the Libertarians are so anti-Republican .....

71 posted on 05/19/2003 11:42:23 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: SJackson
A jury rejected that claim last week, but the presiding judge, Jack Weinstein, has the final say and is expected to find for the plaintiffs. Republicans want to end this indirect assault on gun rights, and some Democrats are now realizing it's in their political interest not to get in the way.

Why does a judge have the final say?

72 posted on 05/19/2003 11:46:04 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: El Gato
Ignoring renewal of the AWB is not an option. The bills are already filed, with mulitiple sponsers.

Uh... pardon me, but you are aware that THOUSANDS of bills are submitted each session, and that only a small percentage ever see the light of day, much less get passed, aren't you?

Ignoring the AWB renewal is very much an option.

73 posted on 05/19/2003 11:47:06 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: El Gato
It may not be "necessary" but it would be nice. It would certainly raise my morale several notches.

Which is more important to you?

A. Sunsetting the AWB.

B. Having your morale raised several notches.

You can only choose one.

You can't have both.

That's the way things go in real life.

74 posted on 05/19/2003 11:49:10 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: SJackson; Lazamataz
The only thing achieved here is that we won a battle, the outcome of the war is still undecided. The real war is being fought at the state and local level.

Yes, this is good news. But, let's not loose our focus on the real problem. We are one Dumbocrap President away from loosing everything we have.

Then there is the Supreme Court. Newsday is reporting today that at least two justices are considering retirement, Scalia and O'Connor. The Bush administration couldn't successfully secure in the Senate the confirmation of an appointee to an appelate court. The Senate... a cluster of useless pieces of human-debris who call themselves Republicans. What are the odds they will get conservatives in to replace Scallia and O'Connor?

The Supreme Court holds the key to securing our 2nd ammendment rights, and unless things change in the Senate we are in for a rough road.
75 posted on 05/19/2003 12:07:41 PM PDT by Duramaximus ( American Born, Gun_Toting , Aerospace Worker Living In A State That Worships Socialism)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Which is more important to you? A. Sunsetting the AWB. B. Having your morale raised several notches. You can only choose one. You can't have both. That's the way things go in real life.

Who says we can't have both? You? The choice depends, if the Sunset is just going to be followed by something worse in a year or two, I'd rather my morale, and that of others, be raised for the fight against the next encroachment.

I just don't see your logic that the President speaking out against some bill, any bill, increases its chance of passage, especially when the President in question has historically high support. Nor does his "support", even if only in statements that he thinks it "reasonable" and that he would sign it if it comes to his desk, increase the chances of it passing, by giving "cover" to certain members of the President's own party that are no friends of the RKBA.

If he used that support, and tied the killing of the AWB into incrased security at home, the bill would really be DOA, IMHO of course.

76 posted on 05/19/2003 2:33:23 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: pacman50
hehe!
77 posted on 05/19/2003 2:35:54 PM PDT by cmsgop (Has anyone seen my Schwab ?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ignoring the AWB renewal is very much an option.

Especially if you want to see it passed in another post midnight session as part of some horse trade for votes on some other issue.

78 posted on 05/19/2003 2:36:23 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Of course I know that thousands of bill are filed every session. I did post the bill number did I not? It was over 2000 and the session is far from over.

The option to ignore the AWB renewal does not rest with RKBA supporters alone, as you seem to think, nor does it rest only with Republicans or the President. That is the point I was making, that there are folks on the other side who want to pass the renewal. They have powerfull allies in the media, allies who will lie and distort the facts when required. They don't absolutely need to use the issue to bash the President with, and in fact they are exploiting his support for renewal, no matter how weak or even how real that support might be. If his support was/is a political strategy to put the issue out of the public eye, it's doomed to failure and in fact it has already failed.

79 posted on 05/19/2003 2:43:06 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Especially if you want to see it passed in another post midnight session as part of some horse trade for votes on some other issue.

Like the October 1996 Lautenberg Abomination (which IIRC passed with veto-proof margins in both House and Senate)?

80 posted on 05/19/2003 3:17:51 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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