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Reverberations from an Iraq prayer meeting
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | May 19, 2003 | Warren Richey |

Posted on 05/18/2003 4:45:57 PM PDT by Dubya

BAGHDAD - A squadron of US Army scouts is finding itself drawn into an increasingly complex labyrinth of political and religious intrigue in one of Baghdad's poorest and most volatile neighborhoods.

In reaching out to the local community in Thawra, the 2nd Squadron of the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment is forging a cooperative relationship with religious and civic leaders. Their mission: to lay the groundwork for a free Iraq governed by Iraqis. But not all religious leaders in this heavily Shiite Muslim enclave want to cooperate with US forces.

Second Squadron officers were shocked when - after arranging to provide US troops to bolster security at a massive prayer sermon last Friday - a local cleric used the forum to accuse US soldiers of using night-vision goggles to see through the clothing of Iraqi women. He also suggested US troops were passing out candy wrapped with pornographic photographs to Iraqi children. And he said that abducted Iraqi women were being forced to work as prostitutes for US soldiers.

Later in the sermon, the Islamic faithful were invited to engage in terror tactics against US forces.

The prayer sermon was attended by an estimated 30,000 Shiite men who endured 100-plus degree heat to hear the message. Such large gatherings were illegal under the regime of Saddam Hussein.

But rather than moving to arrest the speaker or attempting to shut down such large prayer sermons, American military officials demonstrated that they are different from Mr. Hussein. They told the clerics that they are free to express their views and gather in large numbers, but they should not spread false rumors.

"We are committed to freedom, but they have to be committed to freedom, too," says Lt. Col. Joel Armstrong, the squadron commander. Colonel Armstrong says he also emphasized to the clerics that he and his soldiers respect Islam and are not here to undermine Islamic principles.

The incident's repercussions played out all weekend, with various moderate clerics apologizing to the Americans after US commanders expressed concern about the content of the sermon.

Potential for a positive outcome The development is important because it is helping to strengthen - rather than undermine - the relationship between the Shiite leadership and Army commanders, according to military officials. "We are at a decisive point," says Armstrong.

In the wake of the sermon, leaders in Najaf issued a religious decree that sermons must be cleared in advance with senior Shiite leaders. The leadership said it did not agree with the accusations made against US soldiers, nor did it support violent action against coalition forces.

The Shiite leaders said any cleric urging otherwise was violating Islamic law.

The allegations leveled in the sermon have been the subject of false rumors in recent weeks. In an effort to end the rumors, American commanders have allowed clerics to look through their night-vision goggles and have investigated rumors about pornography and prostitution.

But there was more to the sermon beyond the allegations. The cleric, Sheikh Kadim al-Abade, told the peaceful crowd that Shiite religious leaders in Najaf would not accept American control of Iraq and that the only acceptable government in Iraq would be an Islamic government. He said the Shiites are prepared to use force, if necessary, to achieve this aim. The sheikh repeatedly condemned Western culture as a source of pollution that is tarnishing Islamic society.

"You must attack anything that is not good for Islam," he told the assembled gathering. "This is not terrorism because it is defending Islam."

As the leader spoke, two boys, roughly 10 years old, smiled at a Monitor reporter listening to the sermon. They both drew their first finger across their necks, as if they were wielding knives to cut a throat.

But it remains unclear how the sermon was received by the vast majority of those present. Throughout the sermon, security guards for the Imam Sadr Mosque were standing nearby and were extremely courteous and friendly toward the reporter and US soldiers providing extra security.

Large numbers of residents in these heavily Shiite neighborhoods have continued to cheer and wave at passing US military patrols in their streets. Packs of children still run to American Humvees, voicing one of the only English words they know: "Good, good, good."

Deeds rather than words Armstrong says that much of the US response to the sermon will come in deeds rather than words. His soldiers will focus on continuing to carry out relief projects that improve the lives of Iraqi citizens.

"We are just going to keep pumping this stuff in - the tangible goodness," Armstrong says.

Among that "tangible goodness" is a US government program to employ 16,000 workers to clean garbage and trash from streets, a US-funded plan to fix the long-neglected sewer system, and delivery by US soldiers of school supplies redistributed from a Baath Party school warehouse.

What made the prayer sermon particularly puzzling to US commanders is that they have been working closely with a Shiite religious leader here to coordinate security and humanitarian efforts. That leader has been authorized by the Shiite religious leadership in Najaf to coordinate with the Americans.

After the sermon, some clerics, including the leader, Kadhim al-Wala, told Americans that much of the content was not authorized by the leadership in Najaf. If the sermon was given without authorization, he said, the prayer leader would be censured. It remains unclear whether the prayer leader has, in fact, been censured.

Military analysts say the Shiite leadership in Najaf may have adopted a strategy of "good cop, bad cop," in which one local cleric is permitted to cooperate with the Americans while others are permitted to attack their credibility to undercut US popularity.

Indeed, among some within the Shiite leadership, there is deep distrust that US forces will not leave Iraq and that the US will use its influence to undercut political efforts by the clergy to establish an Islamic government, analysts say.

At the same time, these analysts say, the Shiite leadership understands that if it doesn't cooperate in some way with the US, the clerics risk being marginalized by those who step forward and receive what is likely to become a flood of aid.


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A local cleric's allegations against US soldiers prompts Iraqi apologies, underscoring postwar challenges.
1 posted on 05/18/2003 4:45:57 PM PDT by Dubya
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To: Dubya
- a local cleric used the forum to accuse US soldiers of using night-vision goggles to see through the clothing of Iraqi women. He also suggested US troops were passing out candy wrapped with pornographic photographs to Iraqi children. And he said that abducted Iraqi women were being forced to work as prostitutes for US soldiers.

Local cleric? Sayyyyyyyyyy......anybody seen Jim McDermott or David Bonior lately?

2 posted on 05/18/2003 4:51:35 PM PDT by Texas Eagle
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To: Texas Eagle
LOL.
The peaceful, trueful preachers.
3 posted on 05/18/2003 4:53:00 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
The US needs to get some scholar to give them cited examples of what should happen to a cleric who lies to the people. Then, after they bring the clerics in to discuss the sermons, they should reference the passages in Islamic law and request that the good clerics see to it the man is no longer permitted to preach. How could they refuse, especially if we cite Islamic law. I'm sure that some scholar could come up with something that would be terribly hard for the clerics to refute.
4 posted on 05/18/2003 4:59:17 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: McGavin999
Maybe someone will come up with that or something to help.
5 posted on 05/18/2003 5:15:56 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
a local cleric used the forum to accuse US soldiers of using night-vision goggles to see through the clothing of Iraqi women. He also suggested US troops were passing out candy wrapped with pornographic photographs to Iraqi children. And he said that abducted Iraqi women were being forced to work as prostitutes for US soldiers.

More lies from these people. They lie automatically, unabashedly, and audaciously.

6 posted on 05/18/2003 5:19:50 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Dubya
Freedom works. Knowledge is power. Ignorance is the tool of tyrants.

Unfortunately, despite rumors to the contrary, the Iraqi people are no more well educated then the rest of the Islamic world. Saddm thrived on ignorance or such outrageous propaganda would never be believed.

THAT is why Islam a phenominal culture. It's only 1, 340 years old, and already it has stagnated and is dying.

7 posted on 05/18/2003 5:24:45 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Yardstick
Lies, and more lies... that is the way they live. Plus, they think of US soldiers as their servants now. It is the islamic way.
8 posted on 05/18/2003 5:29:04 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Dubya
The Americans came, fought and died to free the Iraqi people. Now, "clerics" say "kill the Americans"! Well, isn't that special? "Religious men" once again calling for murder? How admirable!

If the founders of the United States had designed this country totally opposite of how they actually did you would likely have something just about like Islam.

9 posted on 05/18/2003 5:35:17 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (All tags for sale. 0% interest.)
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To: McGavin999
"The US needs to get some scholar to give them cited examples of what should happen to a cleric who lies to the people. Then, after they bring the clerics in to discuss the sermons, they should reference the passages in Islamic law and request that the good clerics see to it the man is no longer permitted to preach. How could they refuse, especially if we cite Islamic law. I'm sure that some scholar could come up with something that would be terribly hard for the clerics to refute."

THAT is a great idea. Lying to your fellow Muslims is DEFINITELY against Sharia law, no doubt whatsoever about that.

10 posted on 05/18/2003 5:35:28 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
The people who believe in Islam do seem to really be dumb.

How smart can a guy be to blow hisself up.

11 posted on 05/18/2003 5:37:18 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: isthisnickcool
Good post.
12 posted on 05/18/2003 5:41:08 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: cake_crumb; McGavin999
That is a great idea. Lying to your fellow Muslims is DEFINITELY against Sharia law, no doubt whatsoever about that.

Maybe they should Ask the Imam.

NOTE: On and off since 9/11 I have been posting a link to the above site. It is a real site and not a parody! If you have not looked at it closly you might want to take a peek!

13 posted on 05/18/2003 5:47:50 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tag! You're it. Base is the bumper of my Z06. Catch me!)
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To: McGavin999
Sounds good. Only problem I see is that Muslims have no problem lying to or about infidels. Kafir to the max, bro!
14 posted on 05/18/2003 5:48:12 PM PDT by stboz
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To: crazykatz
The tendency to lie and to believe lies is clearly a cultural pathology of that part of the world. Every culture has its flaws and this seems to be theirs. Frankly, I'm amazed that they ever managed to build any sort of civilization, as detached from reality as they are. It must not have always been this way. They must not have always been liars.
15 posted on 05/18/2003 5:49:46 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Dubya
"How smart can a guy be to blow hisself up."

Low end MR. Only smart enough to get to the place he was ordered to get to before blowing himself up. Sad for all of us. We need the dissidents.

BTW: I posted this, but I don't post many articles, so it's not vanity. It's a MUST READ. Actually, I'm tired or would have been sending it out more agressively. This woman is a herione and gives an idea of just how complicated the shadow people of Islam are.

The spy behind the burqa

16 posted on 05/18/2003 5:53:03 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Yardstick
They must not have always been liars.

My uncle was all over the middle east when I was a kid. I remember him coming back once and talking to the other men in the family about the Arabs. He said a lot but what I recall was "most the men are queers", "we will regret ever doing business with them" and "the truth to them is whatever they can convince you is the truth".

17 posted on 05/18/2003 5:53:31 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tag! You're it. Base is the bumper of my Z06. Catch me!)
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To: isthisnickcool
I've been hitting that site for years. It's a real hoot for any serious socioanthropoligist. Sort of like those web sites publishing responses from incredibly incompetent system admins. Also the sites by system admins who publish the work orders from incredibly incompetent employees.

Unfortunately, you can only laugh at Ask the Imam for a heartbeat before your blood runs cold. As I said, Islam isn't just a religion, it's a culture. A pseudoculture which has subsumed the heritages of it's conquered adherants. It's stagnant, and it is dying.

A rattlesnake can still bite after it's dead, and a wasp can still sting. Personally, I don't want ANY of us caught in the death throes of the pseudo culture that is Islam.

19 posted on 05/18/2003 6:09:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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"The tendency to lie and to believe lies is clearly a cultural pathology of that part of the world. Every culture has its flaws and this seems to be theirs. Frankly, I'm amazed that they ever managed to build any sort of civilization, as detached from reality as they are. It must not have always been this way. They must not have always been liars"

The tendency to believe lies become a cultural pathology in any region with a caste system where you have your ignorant, oppressed peasants and all powerful dictators doing the oppressing. Look at the wonderful rumors that Catholic peasants in South America believe about the US, like Yankees stealing their babies in the middle of the night to use on human body-part farms.

Islam is unique in that, because anyone can interpret the Qu'ran as they please and find a sura to back their word-twisted contentions up, anything, be it good or evil, can be made to appear to fit Sharia law. Add to that the fact that there is NO FREEDOM, NOT EVEN FREEDOM OF THOUGHT in Islamic countries, and you have a ready made, iggorant peasant population. Add lie, stir....instant jihad. This is also why socialism and Islam are so compatible. And proof of the need for secular government.

I'm gonna go read a Dean Koontz novel. More fun than real life.

20 posted on 05/18/2003 6:19:32 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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