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[DeathTaxesNoles]

Dean: "Would you rather have Bush's tax cut or a Health Care system like the Canadians, Europeans..."

[DeathTaxesNoles]

Who watched this? Dean said he will get "White Southerners to vote Democrat again!"

On every subject he thought Government can do a better job by taking control of it/spending money on it.

[Paleo Conservative]

Yeah, I really want the federal government to run health care the way they have run the space shuttle program.

[OldFriend]

I listened for two minutes.....heard him complain that President Bush had people around him like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Richard Perle who were ideologues. He said HE would have good people around him.........guess he meant good people like Madame Halfbright and Sandy hamBurger......

The man is totally nuts.

[nwrep]

THANK YOU. ITS THE GIMME GIMME PARTY!!

[alloysteel]

Is this a multiple choice, and if the vast majority make the choice one way or the other, do we get to put it into law?

[Susannah]

My question to the question would be, "How are the Canadian and European Health Care Systems working?

[Coroner]

Canada-5 1/2 month wait for a pap smear.
Sweden- 11 month wait for a 2-d echocardiogram, then if you need heart surgery its another 8 month wait.
United Kingdom- 800,000 people on the waiting list for surgery.
New Zealand- 50,000 people waiting for surgery (population of 3 million0.
etc... etc...

[nwrep]

Pink Floyd playing now...

[LaraCroft]

You mean a health care system like the Veterans Administration? Like Medi-Cal?

[kiwiexpat]

Every health care system has its flaws. In the United States, 40 million people are without health insurance; many of whom do not see a doctor when they need to. In addition, the cost of health care is rising at about 15% per annum and will eventually bankrupt the country. My health care insurance premium went up a massive 30% this year. I lived in New Zealand 15 years ago, and while there was a waiting list for some surgery, the waiting list is not as long as it is today. What happened? Successive governments penny-pinched the national health care system. Yes, there is a waiting list in some countries with national health care systems, but at least everyone can get medical treatment and costs are contained.

[sirchtruth]

This is the Govenor that gave the U.S. the first Gay state...Vermont!

Civil Unionized it all it depravity!

[mass55th]

Anybody can get medical treatment here. It isn't based on your ability to pay. I've been without health insurance in the past, and if I wasn't feeling well, I'd go to the doctor, then pay him what I could, when I could. Please don't say that there are restrictions here on who gets treated.

[cake_crumb]

"Dean: 'Would you rather have Bush's tax cut or a Health Care system like the Canadians, Europeans...' "

<HA HEM....bad Southern Belle impression**>

OH, of COURSE I'd rather have socialised health care, Mr Dean suh!! Why, with socialised health care, you have fewer SICK people aftah a WHILE!!

When you get sick, say, with something like congestive heart failure, you just put your name on the waiting list.

And then you wait....and you wait....and you wait...

And by the time you're name comes up on the list so you can get TREATMENT, you're already DEAD! Health care problem solved!! NICE AND NEAT AND SO OWDUHLY!!! Vote DEMOCRAT, the PAHTY UF THE PEOPLE!!

OH YES, MR DEAN, RAISE MY TAXES SO I CAN PAY FOR PEOPLE TO WAIT ON LISTS TO DIE!!!

</bad Southern Belle impression**>

This guy went to the school of Marx?

[Cicero]

The main reasons why health costs go up, and up, and up, is that the lawyers and the insurance companies have moved in and grabbed a big piece of the pie. The paperwork is enormous. Where you used to have one or two secretaries in a 4 or 5 doctor office, now you have about ten secretaries.

Doctors' liability insurance has skyrocketed. Healthcare companies get the lion's share of the fees. Doctors are being squeezed.

Things have been getting worse for some time, but expenses really took off about the time of the Hillarycare fiasco.

I'm sorry, it was better when your money went to the doctors, instead of huge buildings full of insurance workers, law clerks, bureaucratic overseers, and the rest.

Communism sounds nice, but it hasn't worked yet. Originally, socialized medicine was built on top of well-trained health care professionals, but it's been gradually going down hill ever since.

[BlackElk]

I second that motion.

[freeper12]

>>Please don't say that there are restrictions here on who gets treated.


SO is it your understanding that in America, anyone that pays for health-insurance is a fool? because they can get all the same treatments for free?

If you show up at the emergency room bleeding, they will stop the bleeding for you wether you can pay or not...if you do not have insurance, or the ability to pay, you ARE NOT elegible for all the same care as someone that pays for health insurance. I am not arguing that you should get the same care as somone with insurance, but the fact of the matter is YOU DON'T.

[cake_crumb]

There are waiting lists in all countries with nationalized health care systems.

[freeper12]

>>My question to the question would be, "How are the Canadian and European Health Care Systems working?

What makes you think that America cannot have a first rate health care system and still give care to everybody? Just because the Canadians, or some other lesser country (no offense to canadians) hasn't gotten it right, doesn't mean that if the american people demanded a first rate health care sysstem for all, that we couldn't get one.

Do we have a first-rate military? How is that possible? it is a government program after all....the fact is the american people demanded it, the american people were willing to pay for it, and the american people gota first rate military (even with some problems). IF, we wanted to give care to everyone, we COULD make it happen...the only question is if enough people want it to happen.

I see the tide turning on this one myself. Maybe not by the 2004 elections, but at some point in the future a candidate who has aplan to cover everyone WILL get elected someday, and then it will be upto the american people to make it work.