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Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America
islam online ^ | 5/17/03

Posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by knak

WASHINGTON (IslamOnline.net) – A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S. with a one that would not exclude its more than 8 million Muslim population, reported the Newhouse News Service.

The change campaigners, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance, the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council, stress it is high time for Americans to stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," in reference to Abraham (Ibrahim), the patriarch held in common by the three monotheistic religions.

Dr. Agha K. Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a Fremont-based political group, underlined that "the new language should be used in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places."

U.S. President George W. Bush is always quick to add "mosques," when he mentions "churches and synagogues."

"These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," he said, asserting that "these are words that define how we're related to each other."

Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.

Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council, is quick to assert, "What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that."

"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," asserts Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council.

"Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

Pros & Cons

The call for new terms, which shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war, has its proponents and opponents.

The campaign is significantly backed by non-Muslim organizations, including the head of the National Council of Churches.

Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

"The more inclusive we can be, the more committed we are to the founding fathers and mothers who struggled with the issue of respect for each other's religious faiths," he asserted.

The Right wing Christians are, however, opposed to this change and claim that to alter the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is political correctness and revisionist history at its worst.

"A lot of the ideas that underpin civil liberties come from Judeo-Christian theology," said Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them," he argued, turning a blind eye to the increasingly important role that Muslims are playing in the American society.

Another opinion based on ill-informed view of Islam comes from Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, who alleges that a "Judeo-Christian understanding of things like freedom of conscience and liberty" are embodied in the American Constitution.

He claimed that "Muslims weren’t part of that, even though they’re part pf the discussion now, " forgetting they have been in the U.S. for over 200 years.


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KEYWORDS: abrahamic; judeochristian; muslimamericans
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To: cookcounty
The only significant impact of the Koran on American life was at the World Trade Center on 9-11.

Thought it worth repeating.

41 posted on 05/17/2003 10:49:34 PM PDT by watchin
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To: knak
My egalitarian, inclusive heart skips a beat when I hear "Muslim" and "Arab." I'm not so sure I wanna make room at the table, sorry.
42 posted on 05/17/2003 11:19:16 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: knak
Over my dead body.
43 posted on 05/18/2003 1:08:01 AM PDT by backhoe (An 8th century Goat-roper "culture" seeks to oppress your women- are you man enough to resist?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Try to deport me from my country by force, bubba, and you'll have to exterminate me. I imagine that the same holds true for you.

So, yes, deportation of American citizens based solely on their religion will probably turn very quickly into extermination.

44 posted on 05/18/2003 11:27:30 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Imagine
Yeah, you'd have to declare martial law, and never repeal it.n Yes, you'd have to destroy the Constitution, once and for all, in order to save it.

Ya know... your defeatist attitude is just what the ACLU loves.

I'm not the defeatist here; I think we can win this fight without destroying our freedoms as Americans.

You, on the other hand, conclude that freedom must be abolished.

45 posted on 05/18/2003 11:30:27 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: knak

46 posted on 05/18/2003 11:32:40 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if it only applies to Israel and the United States?)
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To: Poohbah
So, yes, deportation of American citizens based solely on their religion will probably turn very quickly into extermination.

Yeah just like the internment of Japanese citizens during WW2.

When will racist fascist America learn its lesson? {/commie}

47 posted on 05/19/2003 10:27:17 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: knak
"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments, and Jihad which is the killing of the infidels"
48 posted on 05/19/2003 10:29:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: knak
Isnt the US population something like 300,000,000? So why does a group of roughly 8 million think they can change the majority's culture???? Incredible.
49 posted on 05/19/2003 10:32:18 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yeah just like the internment of Japanese citizens during WW2.

"Internment" is one thing.

Forcibly exiling people to foreign lands is someone else.

You didn't touch my challenge: would you fight to the death to avoid forcible expatriation from YOUR country?

Or would you meekly get on the train?

50 posted on 05/19/2003 10:52:20 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
You're right, anyone willing to murder U.S. federal agents to defy our government in a time of emergency is a patriot and more American than me.
51 posted on 05/19/2003 10:58:25 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You're right, anyone willing to murder U.S. federal agents to defy our government in a time of emergency is a patriot and more American than me.

I see. So if, in the future, President Hillary Clinton announces that there is an "emergency" requiring that all "right-wing extremists" (translation: anyone who disagrees with her) have their citizenship revoked and be forcibly deported, you'd just meekly get on the bus and voluntarily go to whatever s**thole the US government decided to expel you to.

Is that an accurate statement of your likely actions?

52 posted on 05/19/2003 11:34:29 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
You're the one proclaiming your animosity against the U.S. government's ability to protect itself in a time of emergency, and your allegiance with others who are willing to wage war against the government.

You even think that it is their very propensity for violence that requires we deal with them with kid gloves.

We already had Billary in office and he already declared war on Christians, massacring them with U.S. troops on U.S. soil, and you were right in the front lines egging them on and defending what they did.

You are transparent. You are just fine with religious zealots running wild in this country, as long as they're not Christian.

53 posted on 05/19/2003 11:44:54 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch
Answer the question with a "yes" or a "no." Your refusal to do so is transparently

If a future administration announces that "Christian extremists" (i.e., anyone who disagrees with them) are to be forcibly stripped of their citizenship and deported to the four winds, would you just quietly leave America without a fight?

Yes or no, please.

If someone is a citizen and suspected of criminal misdeeds, investigate, arrest, try, convict, and punish.

However, do NOT punish citizens for the misdeeds of a very small number people who are mostly non-citizens.
54 posted on 05/19/2003 11:56:34 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Why don't you answer your own question. Go ahead and incriminate yourself.

You defend tyrrany against Christians, but not Muslims. You are anti-Christian.

55 posted on 05/19/2003 12:00:09 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch
Why don't you answer your own question. Go ahead and incriminate yourself.

I asked you first; you need to give an honest answer. You seem to think that rights are inviolable for thee, but revocable at whim otherwise.

You defend tyrrany against Christians, but not Muslims. You are anti-Christian.

I do not defend tyranny against Christians, which is an especially charge because I am a Christian, and you are a liar if you say I do.

Now, please give a "yes" or a "no" answer to my question.

56 posted on 05/19/2003 12:03:28 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
I don't need to do anything.

I didn't propose or defend deportation for muslims. I only attacked your characterization of deportation as "extermination." This was a dishonest attack and an attempt to demonize. (precisely your forte')

I am not the one who advocated waging war against the U.S. government, you are.

You want me to say I would wage war against America if Billary attacked Christians. I won't say that, but I'm glad to know that you support Jihad against the Bush administration if they wage war on Muslims.

57 posted on 05/19/2003 12:09:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: knak
Expect the above mentioned institutions to accede to this request.
58 posted on 05/19/2003 12:10:53 PM PDT by Guillermo (Sic 'Em!)
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To: knak
A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S.

The ACLU beat you to it, Mohommed. They even one-upped you, they are trying to remove it from the lexicon.

59 posted on 05/19/2003 12:18:05 PM PDT by hattend
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To: knak
I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

As opposed to Saudi Arabia, cradle of Islam, where they don't.

What goobledegook.

60 posted on 05/19/2003 12:22:08 PM PDT by hattend
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