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Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America
islam online ^ | 5/17/03

Posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by knak

WASHINGTON (IslamOnline.net) – A host of leading Muslim organizations in the U.S. are orchestrating a campaign to replace the "Judeo-Christian" phrase in describing the values and character that define the U.S. with a one that would not exclude its more than 8 million Muslim population, reported the Newhouse News Service.

The change campaigners, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance, the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council, stress it is high time for Americans to stop using the outdated phrase and replace it with "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," in reference to Abraham (Ibrahim), the patriarch held in common by the three monotheistic religions.

Dr. Agha K. Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a Fremont-based political group, underlined that "the new language should be used in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places."

U.S. President George W. Bush is always quick to add "mosques," when he mentions "churches and synagogues."

"These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," he said, asserting that "these are words that define how we're related to each other."

Dr. Zahid Bukhari, vice president of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), says that an inclusive change of language could alter the perception that the U.S. as a Christian country is hell-bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade.

Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council, is quick to assert, "What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that."

"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," asserts Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council.

"Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

Pros & Cons

The call for new terms, which shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war, has its proponents and opponents.

The campaign is significantly backed by non-Muslim organizations, including the head of the National Council of Churches.

Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

"The more inclusive we can be, the more committed we are to the founding fathers and mothers who struggled with the issue of respect for each other's religious faiths," he asserted.

The Right wing Christians are, however, opposed to this change and claim that to alter the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is political correctness and revisionist history at its worst.

"A lot of the ideas that underpin civil liberties come from Judeo-Christian theology," said Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them," he argued, turning a blind eye to the increasingly important role that Muslims are playing in the American society.

Another opinion based on ill-informed view of Islam comes from Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, who alleges that a "Judeo-Christian understanding of things like freedom of conscience and liberty" are embodied in the American Constitution.

He claimed that "Muslims weren’t part of that, even though they’re part pf the discussion now, " forgetting they have been in the U.S. for over 200 years.


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KEYWORDS: abrahamic; judeochristian; muslimamericans
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To: Tailgunner Joe
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.
121 posted on 05/20/2003 2:34:23 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Judging from your posts, anything short of Hitler does look like an appeaser to you.
122 posted on 05/20/2003 2:35:18 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
This was my post to Pooh, NOT directed to you.

Ah, but it was my statements which you applied these labels to. You just didn't have the courage to say them to my face.

123 posted on 05/20/2003 2:38:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Howlin
And now, to take a play from the playbook of my enemies, I will now declare victory in the debate for having been called a nazi for expressing my conservative political views. Good day to you all! it's been fun!
124 posted on 05/20/2003 2:39:57 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; hchutch; Howlin; Chancellor Palpatine
One more time:

If President Hillary Clinton announced that there was an "emergency" that required all "right-wing Christian extremist" citzens to be deported against their will, would you simply obey the expulsion order?

Yes or no. It's not a difficult question to answer.
125 posted on 05/20/2003 2:41:16 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Wow, we've been busy haven't we Poobah.....I tend to fall into your thinking on this subject...

"What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them," he argued, turning a blind eye to the increasingly important role that Muslims are playing in the American society.

How can you turn a blind eye to something that isn't there. He's about spot on, I'm sorry to say that the Muslims in this country have alot to prove right now. Not to just white people, but blacks, hispanics, asians...etc. It was their ethnic/religious group that launched Sept. 11, there is alot of anger aimed at them, the burden of proof is on them.

I do not discount the good deeds that are done by individual muslims, but as a group they have alot to do until they will be accepted into our Judeo-Christian society. And the rules of Islam should never.....let me repeat that NEVER have any bearing on American life.

126 posted on 05/20/2003 3:36:28 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (You cannot be a victim and a hero simultaneously - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: Blue Scourge
OK, so you're voting for group identity, group rights over individual rights, and group punishment for misdeeds.

You're on the wrong site, pal. Try the NAACP or democratunderground.
127 posted on 05/20/2003 3:39:49 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: backhoe
That's exactly what I was going to write...
128 posted on 05/20/2003 3:42:17 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: knak
Muslims Stress Abrahamic Character of America

Oh, I bet y'all say that to every country you plan to take over and subjugate
with Shari'a law...
129 posted on 05/20/2003 3:47:34 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Poohbah
Deport them?, no, no just a stint in an internment camp untill they can be de-programed.
130 posted on 05/20/2003 3:48:06 PM PDT by BOOTSTICK
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To: Hildy
Thank you. I won't make pointlessly bellicose or bombastic statements, but let's just say I am so deadly serious about that. Enough of their foolishness is enough.
131 posted on 05/20/2003 3:51:31 PM PDT by backhoe (The reason we enjoy Rights is because hard men with guns in hand stand before the barbarians...)
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To: BOOTSTICK
Deport them?, no, no just a stint in an internment camp untill they can be de-programed.

OK...once again, let's try to make this a universal law, and see if the proposed shoe starts to pinch when you stick it on your own foot.

Suppose President Hillary Clinton announced such a policy with respect to "right-wing Christian extremists," and you were ordered to an "internment camp" until you could be "de-programmed."

Would you obey any such order?

All I need--and all I will accept--is a yes or no answer.

132 posted on 05/20/2003 3:53:59 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
no....perhaps I wrote that down wrong. Actually I'm a staunch supporter of personal freedom and responsibility. Guess it seems like I'm holding a bit of a double standard. But wouldn't you agree that if a majority of Muslims spoke out in support of the war on Terror they would have less of a reason to feel like everyone is targeting them...deserved or not?

But don't even class me with DU, thats a slap in the face.
133 posted on 05/20/2003 4:02:24 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (You cannot be a victim and a hero simultaneously - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: Poohbah
After reading the whole thread, I see that there are some people who advocate deporting all Muslims from the US, even if they were US citizens. Deporting people based on their religious affiliation is...so...Hitler-like.

Some people would tear down the law to get at the Devil.

134 posted on 05/20/2003 4:02:49 PM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: wimpycat
And when the last law is cut down and the devil turns round on them -- where will they hide, all the laws being flat?
135 posted on 05/20/2003 4:06:51 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
:-)

Just check out my profile for the rest of the quote.
136 posted on 05/20/2003 4:07:44 PM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: wimpycat
A Man For All Seasons is one of my favorite movies.
137 posted on 05/20/2003 4:10:30 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: 50sDad
It's been known for centuries that "BC" and "AD" are off by 4-6 years anyway.
138 posted on 05/20/2003 4:59:35 PM PDT by steve-b
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