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Feinstein-Schumer Gun-Control Act
The Federalist ^

Posted on 05/17/2003 8:08:32 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

PatriotPetitions. US has launched a national campaign entreating our President, House of Representatives and Senate to reject legislation renewing the 1994 Clinton-Feinstein-Schumer Gun-Control Act. Please read this brief description of the campaign and let your voice be heard on this matter.

Though House Majority Leader Tom DeLay says "The votes in the House are not there" to renew the measure, Feinstein and Schumer just introduced a bill in the Senate to renew the law, and they will press the House for a roll call vote in the upcoming election year. Unfortunately, President Bush has reiterated that he SUPPORTS the gun-ban -- an affront to the Constitutional right of all law abiding citizens to own semi-automatic sporting rifles for lawful purposes. Feinstein and Schumer even applauded President Bush, saying: "We welcome your support and look forward to working with you to gain swift passage of this legislation. With your assistance, we will be able to pass legislation to continue the ban and help make America's streets safer."

"Safer"? For whom? Such laws claim, ostensibly, to protect law-abiding citizens. Of course, only law-abiding citizens comply with these restrictions -- and at their own peril. Criminals don't care if the weapon they are using comport with the 23,000 federal, state and local gun restrictions already on the books. The Democrat's "incremental encroachment" on the Second Amendment is a thinly-veiled strategy to achieve their ultimate goal of gun confiscation, as Ms. Feinstein made clear after passage of her 1994 legislation: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate...for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it!"

Please join fellow Patriots on the frontlines in defense of our Constitutional liberties.

Link to -- http://patriotpetitions.us/nogunban.


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To: El Gato
The H&K G-3, with new semi auto reciever, and the similar CETME, are also pretty good. Different kind of action, and pretty heavy, but very accurate. Magazines for those two interchange,

Sort of. Some magazine wells on the repro receivers are a bit tight, and some fitting or wear-in may be required. That's better than having them loose, though. 20-round aluminum G3 magazines are available from Tapco in Georgia for $3.49 each, at least until they run out.

That alone makes a CETME [or HK semi] a great deal- if you get the magazines NOW, while they're available.


101 posted on 05/20/2003 11:39:36 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Skywalk
http://www.aircommando.com/dd3.jpg

Well, you don't have to worry about your teeth rusting during an overseas shipment....

There's something about the military mind that understands the concept of packing a lube gun in Cosmoline....


102 posted on 05/20/2003 2:40:55 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
NOW, that's funny, Archie.

By the way, you have Freepmail.
103 posted on 05/20/2003 3:04:16 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: archy
i>20-round aluminum G3 magazines are available from Tapco in Georgia for $3.49 each, at least until they run out.

Thanks for the info. Be aware though that some (Century Arms Centurian 99 & 2000 for example) of the "rebuilds" count parts of the magazine in their "US parts" count. If you use the imported G-3 magazines, without changing out the follower and floor plate, you may be producing a banned gun under the ban on building a non-importable gun out of imported parts. You could be in for a visit from the BATFE Boys in Black. However kits are availble with the requisite US made parts.

104 posted on 05/20/2003 6:13:20 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Thanks for the info. Be aware though that some (Century Arms Centurian 99 & 2000 for example) of the "rebuilds" count parts of the magazine in their "US parts" count. If you use the imported G-3 magazines, without changing out the follower and floor plate, you may be producing a banned gun under the ban on building a non-importable gun out of imported parts. You could be in for a visit from the BATFE Boys in Black. However kits are availble with the requisite US made parts.

And of course, note too that House Speaker Tom DeLay has promised that the extension of the ban which ends in the Fall of next year just before the election will never cross his desk, so that Bush will never be faced with the opportunity of signing it's extension.

Possession of additional magazines for a rifle now included in that act is not illegal even now- only use of one in one of the weapons covered by the ban, and only if the magazine is imported and used in a weapon otherwise lacking the necessary number of American-made bits and pieces. So the time for obtaining and maintenance of them is now, before demand drives their prices WAY up.

-archy-/-

105 posted on 05/21/2003 7:41:14 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
NOPE, we do NOT;it's something i'll bring up with our rangemaster & the board. sounds good to me.

FREE dixie,sw

106 posted on 05/21/2003 8:49:52 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: Shooter 2.5
FRANKLY, i don't care what you think, as it seems you don't have OR are un-willing to tell me anything that would indicate you have the credentials to question me or any other old vet on my/his knowledge & expieriences.

imVho, the only opinions that count for anything are those from those who "have been there & done that"; all other opinions are like bellybuttons: most everyone has one & they mostly stink.

the NVA COL was NOT "strolling around a firebase" but evidently was supervising his troops in preparation for a mass attack on the base. this was NOT un-common in RVN, as the "high command" was in DIRECT command of the frontline NVA troops;in point of fact, the attacks often stalled, if just one officer was removed, as the "common soldier" was told to "do nothing without direct orders".

IF you had been there you would understand what i'm talking about. (ALL the communist armies are that way- NOBODY does ANYTHING without being DIRECTLY ordered to do so;frequently, the troops & NCOs just sit & vegetate when nobody tells them what to do;that was/is the main WEAKNESS of ALL the commie military units.)

i guess i'm going to have to go look up the AMU manual that CLEARLY states that the MAX EFFECTIVE range of BOTH M2 ball (150 grains) AND the "NM target" loads (168 grains) are 200 METERS greater than the standard for M14 rounds, since you don't seem to be able to do so. will that please you????

FRee dixie,sw

107 posted on 05/21/2003 9:07:52 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
well, she's MUCH cuter than Jerry; that's for SURE!

and NOPE i've never seen HER, BUT i HAVE seen HIM! (NEITHER of us will win any "handsome" contests!)

ROTFL!

FRee dixie,sw

108 posted on 05/21/2003 9:10:04 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
i use the dishwasher, on POTSCRUBBER cycle, to clean cosmoline,oil, DENTS & old accumalated grease/crud off military rifles.

i've done at least a HUNDRED w/o any problems;i once washed a 93 mauser EIGHT TIMES, before i got all/most of the crud off of/out of the wood. and YES i KNOW what's on the CMP site about that;i do NOT agree.

DUCT TAPE is good to cover "dents" you don't want pulled out! (like catouches & serial numbers for instance!)

just be careful of your wife throwing cast-iron skillets at you for "messing up my dishwasher"! ( i recommend flowers/negligees (SP???)for "peace offerings"! ROTFL!

Free dixie,sw

109 posted on 05/21/2003 9:21:22 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
the G3 mag will fit the CETME;the reverse is NOT true.

Free dixie,sw

110 posted on 05/21/2003 9:22:33 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: El Gato
make that JACKBOOTED THUGS from BATF,and i'll agree.

FRee dixie,sw

111 posted on 05/21/2003 9:24:19 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
WELL SAID!
112 posted on 05/21/2003 9:25:02 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
And of course, note too that House Speaker Tom DeLay has promised that the extension of the ban which ends in the Fall of next year just before the election will never cross his desk, so that Bush will never be faced with the opportunity of signing it's extension.

Delay is not the Speaker of the House. Dennis Hastert of Illinois is. Delay is Majority Leader. Two days after Rep Delay said that, Speaker Hastert said he hadn't made up his mind yet, adding that he hadn't yet talked to the President or others in the leadership. The Speaker, not the Leader, has the power to make such decisions.

That said, the danger is not in the House, it's in the Senate. There the renewal, either the current Senate version or something worse, is likely to get attached to some other, "must pass", legisation. That technique pretty much bipasses even the Speaker's ability to kill it procedurally. The Senate and its Judiciary Committee are much less favorable to the RKBA than the house.

113 posted on 05/21/2003 9:26:06 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: stand watie
make that JACKBOOTED THUGS from BATF,and i'll agree.

Now, now, the BATFE "dynamic entry" types don't really wear jackboots, just standard combat boots. They do often carry submachine guns. (whose semi-auto relatives are "only good for killing people") and wear black "Fritz" style helmuts. They also cover their faces and don't wear any personal ID, like a badge number or name tag.

114 posted on 05/21/2003 9:32:18 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: archy
And of course, note too that House Speaker Tom DeLay has promised that the extension of the ban which ends in the Fall of next year just before the election will never cross his desk, so that Bush will never be faced with the opportunity of signing it's extension.

Yesterday, a slightly different statement was made by Rep. DeLay. This time, he said that the votes for an *expansion* of the AW ban were not there. That sure sounds like he's backing away from his previous statement. Add in Denny Hastert sitting in his favorite spot - on the fence - and it smells like a recipe for compromise. "But... we prevented anything *worse* from being passed! You should be thanking us!" - that's what the Reps who sell us out - again - will say (in unison).

Perhaps we should call the Speaker's office and ask to speak to Tom Foley...

115 posted on 05/21/2003 9:38:58 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Charles Martel
Perhaps we should call the Speaker's office and ask to speak to Tom Foley...

I'm working on a much better way to put the scare into them. Their happiest boast is that gun owners and personal defense advocates have nowhere to go but the Republican candidates, at least until the Democrats wise up and begin running a few of their own who'll back a rollback of Second Amendment infringements. I have a couple of ideas about sticking pins in that particular balloon, in a way that should give them as much pause as the one vote in five that was cast for Ross Perot...which took Bush I out of the White House after his *Read my lips-No New Taxes* promise was broken and he handed gun owners an import ban and the Ruby Ridge and Waco atrocities. [Yeah, I know Waco took place during the Clinton administration's early days- but it was planned and set up on Bush I's watch and under his command and control]

-archy-/-

116 posted on 05/21/2003 9:59:15 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: El Gato
AND they are REALLY GOOD at violating citizen's civil rights.

i was once, BRIEFLY, a DUSM and the marshal's opinion of batf's "cowboys" is NOT good.

FRee dixie,sw

117 posted on 05/21/2003 9:59:44 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
sounds like a plan!

FRee dixie,sw

118 posted on 05/21/2003 10:02:38 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: archy
that's not NEARLY as funny as the TM which says that TENT PEGS must be painted BRIGHT ORANGE (for safety's sake, such that someone will NOT step on one & hurt themselves) AND in the next line that "tentpegs painted orange are to be pounded in flush with the ground for reasons of camoflage".

then there is the army material command AMMO TM which says :

"for reasons of safety, these particuliar projectiless must be stored in an inverted position, such that the top is at the bottom & the bottom is at the top. for reasons of simplicity, the bottoms of the rounds have been therefore labeled TOP in two inch red letters".

isn't that just like the experts?????

FRee dixie,sw

119 posted on 05/21/2003 10:10:45 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: stand watie
i was once, BRIEFLY, a DUSM and the marshal's opinion of batf's "cowboys" is NOT good.

You should have heard what their fellow treasury agents, my uncle in the Secret Service among them, had to say about them. He regarded them as little better than the lone wolf crazies hoping to kill a presidential family member for fame and glory, and less honorable than many of the counterfeiters he had dealt with. Neither was he real impressed with Mr. Hoover's G-men, whose legacy was built on lethal bumbling from the agency's start at the Kansas City massacre where one of their agents shotgunned his federal partner and the local sheriff when they came under fire, and to their gangbuster reputation built on public relations lies and execution of unarmed or helpless wounded prisoners.

Neither was the Treasury Prohibition Agents' record of some 2000 shootings of unarmed suspects or innocent bystanders/witnesses in their day much of an example for the ATTU/BATF/BATFE agents to claim, and the presence of a half-dozen or so of the ATTU agents at the Dallas Schoolbook Depository on 22 November 1963 has yet to be explained away.

Uncle Dennis had a grudging respect for the Postal Inspectors and the Border Patrol, many of whose inspectors were sometimes sworn in as Deputy US Marshalls, as you were.

-archy-/-

120 posted on 05/21/2003 10:15:11 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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