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MOSSAD'S KILLING MACHINE COMES TO BRITAIN
GlobeIntel and GordonThomas.ie ^ | 5/15/2003 | Gordon Thomas

Posted on 05/17/2003 6:17:30 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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To: CIB-173RDABN
Now that's a scenario I can believe 100%!
81 posted on 05/17/2003 6:35:43 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
It is both Psy-war and Spy-war. By some of the best in the world.
82 posted on 05/17/2003 6:42:10 PM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: Poohbah; ex-Texan
By this standard, Tom Clancy must be the greatest living expert on the current inner workings and operations of the CIA.

What a load of crap. At most, this fiction writer is being used as a willing conduit for psyops and propaganda.

At most.

83 posted on 05/17/2003 7:00:55 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Yaron
Murder is murder. Nobody is above the law (actually the Queen is technically not subject to them) in UK. Israel should keep their assasinations within their own borders or be treated like the common criminals they are.

Perhaps when Islamic extremeists are univerally treated as common criminals and Isreal is no longer being subjected to homicicde bombers I will agree with you until that dayI will presume that Isreal's intelligence system can operate witrh the same methods every other intelligence agency uses.

84 posted on 05/17/2003 7:36:01 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Squantos
Clearly the Mossad has a motive for letting this news out. They want to see which rats scurry about and what holes they go into.
85 posted on 05/17/2003 7:39:49 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
Agree.........if the press knows of it then it's either done ,aka a smokin hole they can't hide ,or never happened in the first place IMO.

Hope yer day was easy Harpseal.....Stay Safe Friend !

86 posted on 05/17/2003 7:44:00 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: ex-Texan
Me too. Let's keep the cowardy death cult SOBs looking over their shoulders.
87 posted on 05/17/2003 7:47:22 PM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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To: Squantos
Crud - I read through 70 posts, only to find a caliber endorsement?!!

What a waste of time. Next time, mail me one, and I will try it out on the range. It will be faster.

88 posted on 05/17/2003 7:48:00 PM PDT by patton (I wish we could all look at the evil of abortion with the pure, honest heart of a child.)
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To: Travis McGee
You have not visited Thomas' web site either. Shame, shame, shame. He was a jounalist long before he was an author. He also was one of the first investigative reporters to interview Saddam Hussein. But, of course, you know more than Mr. Thomas does by far. He has written 53 books which are translated into 16 languages and are selling above 45 million copies. He spent three years doing research with the Mossad before he wrote his first book about them. But, of course, you know so much more than this world famous author -- and actually brag about your knowledge.

You have adopted the name of one the best characters in 'who dunnit fiction' as your screen name. Pity that the real Travis McGee is not here. If you can actually read and comprehend, click the link.

Click Here

89 posted on 05/17/2003 7:51:21 PM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: patton
LOL.....Whaaa !

Stay Safe and remember to click on them little numbers aka post # 71 ect ect !

90 posted on 05/17/2003 7:56:18 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Travis McGee
Get a load of flame-boy...
91 posted on 05/17/2003 8:26:19 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: garden center and nursery
Hmmm, Christ was talking about a fig tree.....but then, I guess you haven't read the book, I wouldn't want to spoil it for you.
92 posted on 05/17/2003 9:42:05 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: thinking
Bull had it coming. Poor judgement.
93 posted on 05/17/2003 10:00:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Oklahoma kid laid dying in a women's wing, Just another indian biting dust)
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To: Squantos
If they're "our" enemies I don't care where they kill them.

They can defenestrate them from my second floor if they'd like. I could sell tickets.
94 posted on 05/17/2003 10:03:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Oklahoma kid laid dying in a women's wing, Just another indian biting dust)
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To: ex-Texan
If you knew your writers and characters, you would know that McGee had nothing to do with "whodunnits," nothing at all.

He was not a "detective" or "P.I.", a class he despised, he was a salvage consultant.

95 posted on 05/18/2003 1:56:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ex-Texan
Just one comment... if they ever, EVER get caught in Britain (or the USA) they risk the most horrible blowback on Israel and the Jewish people that the world has seen since the Holocaust.
96 posted on 05/18/2003 2:11:40 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: ex-Texan
P.S. why would extradition ever be a problem? The only sticking point Britain could possibly have is the death penalty, and Israel has none (which is handy for being able to get offenders extradited from liberal European countries).
97 posted on 05/18/2003 2:16:55 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: SauronOfMordor; McGavin999
FYI. I posted a link to the following on a thread a few days ago:

Israel to kill in U.S., allied nations
By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
From the Washington Politics & Policy Desk
Published 1/15/2003 7:14 PM
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030115-035849-6156r


Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen former and currently serving U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials in interviews with United Press International.

But an official at the Israeli Embassy in Washington told UPI: "That is rubbish. It is completely untrue. Israel and the United States have such a close and co-operative intelligence relationship, especially in the field of counter-terrorism, that the assertion is ludicrous."

With the appointment of Meir Dagan, the new director of Israel's Mossad secret intelligence service, Sharon is preparing "a huge budget" increase for the spy agency as part of "a tougher stance in fighting global jihad (or holy war)," one Israeli official said.

Since Sharon became Israeli prime minister, Tel Aviv has mainly limited its practice of targeted killings to the West Bank and Gaza because "no one wanted such operations on their territory," a former Israeli intelligence official said.

Another former Israeli government official said that under Sharon, "diplomatic constraints have prevented the Mossad from carrying out 'preventive operations' (targeted killings) on the soil of friendly countries until now."

He said Sharon is "reversing that policy, even if it risks complications to Israel's bilateral relations."

A former Israeli military intelligence source agreed: "What Sharon wants is a much more extensive and tough approach to global terrorism, and this includes greater operational maneuverability."

Does this mean assassinations on the soil of allies?

"It does," he said.

"Mossad is definitely being beefed up," a U.S. government official said of the Israeli agency's budget increase. He declined to comment on the Tel Aviv's geographic expansion of targeted killings.

An FBI spokesman also declined to comment, saying: "This is a policy matter. We only enforce federal laws."

A congressional staff member with deep knowledge of intelligence matters said, "I don't know on what basis we would be able to protest Israel's actions." He referred to the recent killing of Qaed Salim Sinan al Harethi, a top al Qaida leader, in Yemen by a remotely controlled CIA drone.

"That was done on the soil of a friendly ally," the staffer said.

But the complications posed by Israel's new policy are real.

"Israel does not have a good record at doing this sort of thing," said former CIA counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson.

He cited the 1997 fiasco where two Mossad agents were captured after they tried to assassinate Khaled Mashaal, a Hamas political leader, by injecting him with poison.

According to Johnson, the attempt, made in Amman, Jordan, caused a political crisis in Israeli-Jordan relations. In addition, because the Israeli agents carried Canadian passports, Canada withdrew its ambassador in protest, he said. Jordan is one of two Arab nations to recognize Israel. The other is Egypt.

At the time, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said, "I have no intention of stopping the activities of this government against terror," according to a CNN report.

Former CIA officials say Israel was forced to free jailed Hamas founder Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and 70 other Jordanian and Palestinian prisoner being held in Israeli jails to secure the release of the two would-be Mossad assassins.

Phil Stoddard, former director of the Middle East Institute, cited a botched plot to kill Ali Hassan Salemeh, the mastermind of the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre. The 1974 attempt severely embarrassed Mossad when the Israeli hit team mistakenly assassinated a Moroccan waiter in Lillehammer, Norway.

Salemeh, later a CIA asset, was killed in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1976 by a car bomb placed by an Israeli assassination team, former U.S. intelligence officials said.

"Israel knew Salemeh was providing us with preventive intelligence on the Palestinians and his being killed pissed off a lot of people," said a former senior CIA official.

But some Israeli operations have been successful.

Gerald Bull, an Ontario-born U.S. citizen and designer of the Iraqi supergun -- a massive artillery system capable of launching satellites into orbit, and of delivering nuclear chemical or biological payloads from Baghdad to Israel -- was killed in Belgium in March 1990. The killing is still unsolved, but former CIA officials said a Mossad hit team is the most likely suspect.

Bull worked on the supergun design -- codenamed Project Babylon -- for 10 years, and helped the Iraqis develop many smaller artillery systems. He was found with five bullets in his head outside his Brussels apartment.

Israeli hit teams, which consist of units or squadrons of the Kidon, a sub-unit for Mossad's highly secret Metsada department, would stage the operations, former Israeli intelligence sources said. Kidon is a Hebrew word meaning "bayonet," one former Israeli intelligence source said.

This Israeli government source explained that in the past Israel has not staged targeted killings in friendly countries because "no one wanted such operations on their territory."

This has become irrelevant, he said.

Dagan, the new hard-driving director of Mossad, will implement the new changes, former Israeli government officials said.

Dagan, nicknamed "the gun," was Sharon's adviser on counter-terrorism during the government of Netanyahu in 1996, former Israeli government officials say. A former military man, Dagan has also undertaken extremely sensitive diplomatic missions for several of Israel's prime ministers, former Israeli government sources said.

Former Israel Defense Forces Lt. Col. Gal Luft, who served under Dagan, described him as an "extremely creative individual -- creative to the point of recklessness."

A former CIA official who knows Dagan said the new Mossad director knows "his foreign affairs inside and out," and has a "real killer instinct."

Dagan is also "an intelligence natural" who has "a superb analyst not afraid to act on gut instinct," the former CIA official said.

Dagan has already removed Mossad officials whom he regards as "being too conservative or too cautious" and is building up "a constituency of senior people of the same mentality," one former long-time Israeli operative said.

Dagan is also urging that Mossad operatives rely less on secret sources and rely more on open information that is so plentifully provided on the Internet and newspapers.

"It's a cultural thing," one former Israeli intelligence operative explained. "Mossad in the past has put its emphasis on Humint (human intelligence) and secret operations and has neglected the whole field of open media, which has become extremely important."

Copyright © 2001-2003 United Press International


I am posting the whole thing for archival purposes. Note in particular US govt response:


"Mossad is definitely being beefed up," a U.S. government official said of the Israeli agency's budget increase. He declined to comment on the Tel Aviv's geographic expansion of targeted killings.

An FBI spokesman also declined to comment, saying: "This is a policy matter. We only enforce federal laws."

A congressional staff member with deep knowledge of intelligence matters said, "I don't know on what basis we would be able to protest Israel's actions." He referred to the recent killing of Qaed Salim Sinan al Harethi, a top al Qaida leader, in Yemen by a remotely controlled CIA drone.





"In Mossad-speak 'disable' means taking them out permanently", said an MI5 source grimly. "We know from past experience that the kidon can make murder look like an accident. It is their speciality".


I have a friend who was born behind the Iron Curtain, who calls it 'heroic death on the highway'. Any one of us who opposes US-Israeli policies could become a target, and no one would be the wiser.

PARTICULARY interesting comment from the Gordon Thomas article: " Some of the team have spent time undercover in Arab capitals. They speak all the languages of the Middle East - and can pass as Islamic extremists ..."



"Since he has come to office, it is known that Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has "sanctioned" a number of assassinations of terrorists who could not be brought before Israeli courts."


"...kidon always use a weapon appropriate to the situation. "Strangulation if the target is to be killed at night. Sometimes an aerosol OR A SYRINGE IN THE JUGULAR TO DELIVER A FAST-ACTING NERVE AGENT THAT KILLS AND LEAVES NO TRACE".


Wow, is that ever creepy. Did you ever see Enemy of the State? Fiction, a syringe to the neck was how some rogue CIA agents killed a US Senator beside a body of water who wouldn't go along with their program. I thought of this recently when I ran across an old newspaper obituary of a prominent Israeli who was trying to wage peace between Israel and the Arabs, and ran into opposition from Israel. They found his body along a body of water, and ruled it a heart attack, I believe. Made me wonder. I've since lost sight of the article, but I believe it was in the Washington Post last fall. Very slippery slope, IMO, to have foreign agents come here or any other country, and act as judge and executioner, and we can't say anything because we do it, too! What did George Washington say about entangling alliances?

99 posted on 05/18/2003 7:31:52 PM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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To: Jhoffa_
Anyone you can get info from by sleeping with was a major, major security risk to begin with, imo...

You don't seen to understand. The female assasin isn't going to be with the bad guy for info. It's to kill him.

Mark

100 posted on 05/18/2003 9:27:40 PM PDT by MarkL (Maybe that was a bit TOO inflamatory? Nahhhh....)
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