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Police Storm Wrong Apartment, Resident Dies of Heart Attack
WABC News NYC ^ | May 16, 2003 | Art McFarland

Posted on 05/16/2003 2:55:01 PM PDT by Unknown Freeper

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To: steve-b
I agree. I don't believe any narcotics law justifies the no-knock. I should have made specific reference to that. If the officers feel a no-knock is required, then they must also fear specific (not implied) fear for their own safety. As such, the war against drugs (and America) isn't worth it. However, cases where immediate action must be taken can justify such a warrant.

The "War on Drugs" isn't about drugs, it's about our rights.
501 posted on 05/19/2003 9:34:03 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Dane
It is the DEA's language straight from their site.
502 posted on 05/19/2003 9:39:20 AM PDT by Stew Padasso
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To: Dane
At least one-third of Americans have used marijuana sometime in their lives.

Uh of course you inherantly imply that 1/3rd of Americans are now regular smokers

ROTFLMAO! You're a hoot, Dane.

503 posted on 05/19/2003 9:39:42 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Stew Padasso; Dane
At least one-third of Americans have used marijuana sometime in their lives.

Uh of course you inherantly imply that 1/3rd of Americans are now regular smokers

It is the DEA's language straight from their site.

So Dane has actually claimed that the DEA "inherantly [sic]implies that 1/3rd of Americans are now regular smokers."

Priceless!

504 posted on 05/19/2003 9:41:32 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Dane
"These are the flower children and hippies of the 60's, where incidentally the drug culture got it's start."

I love it when people overgeneralize.

I was part of this age but I was never a hippie or a flower child. Virtually everbody I knew, including people with crewcuts or nice short business haircuts, at least tried pot at one time. Very few were hippies and even pretended to be hippies. The vast majority passed out of that phase without destroying their brains or moving on to harder stuff despite the fact that the government told them they were doomed. Some have had terrible problems with alcohol, but that's another story.
505 posted on 05/19/2003 9:55:51 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: Dane
Make that "OR even pretended to be hippies."
506 posted on 05/19/2003 9:57:01 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: A CA Guy
Why is it you fail to respond to my substantive posts? #374, for instance.

I challenge any of the pro-WODders to seriously address the socio-political consequences of the War on Drugs, an essentially totalitarian quest.
507 posted on 05/19/2003 10:07:03 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: MrLeRoy; Stew Padasso; justshe
It is the DEA's language straight from their site

I wholly understand that but Stewey in his reply #490 was implying that a lot of people are currently "regular" users, when the DEA quote states that 1/3rd of Americans have tried marijuana and are not regular users.

Who uses marijuana?...
I guess it is safe to assume that LOTS of people are smoking pot.

Of course you two already knew that, and are just trying to mask Stew's misleading implication in his reply #490 with your subsequent replies to my reply #499.

508 posted on 05/19/2003 10:26:25 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
"All the respected studies I have seen is that "regular" smokers of pot today is around 3% of the population."

What is a "regular" smoker?
509 posted on 05/19/2003 10:34:32 AM PDT by Stew Padasso
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To: Dane; Stew Padasso; justshe
Stewey in his reply #490 was implying that a lot of people are currently "regular" users

If he was implying that by quoting the DEA, then the DEA must have been implying the same thing.

510 posted on 05/19/2003 10:42:32 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Dane
You really think there are just 8 million regular pot smokers in the US? You're kidding, right?
511 posted on 05/19/2003 11:05:42 AM PDT by jayef
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To: jayef
You really think there are just 8 million regular pot smokers in the US? You're kidding, right?

JMO, but you sound like the famous quote from a famous Manhattan Upper West Side socialite in 72 when she was quoted as saying, "I can't understand why McGovern lost, everyone I knew voted for him."

Oh well I guess that happens when you live in your own little world.

512 posted on 05/19/2003 1:16:23 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
OK Dane. Whatever you say.
513 posted on 05/19/2003 1:39:51 PM PDT by jayef
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To: headsonpikes
Actually I go by each situation one at a time. I listed my reasons as to why there was no intent, how this department had a good record and we know this woman had a condition that pre-disposed her for a fatal heart attack.

There are lots of known facts in this story that makes this a horse with no legs for anyone trying to use this to legalized drugs.

This is a liberal agenda on a conservative board. You even try to create a boogie man for those who suffer from paranoia, but that doesn't fly in this case.
514 posted on 05/19/2003 9:04:23 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: headsonpikes
I responded, but found your post comes off very artificial and filled with reaching catch phrases of a desperate minority view.
It reflects well that your drinking the kool-aide in lock-step that you want to claim I do.

You don't find me using that catch phrase bunk unless it is to mock the absurdity of it being thrown at me over and over again. I think it is better to talk like a human being.

I guess the point of your catch phrases is that you are hoping to make something stick to the readers you are trying to sway, but the product you want to push darkens the soul and does no good. I doubt anyone living a normal life will bite on your words.
515 posted on 05/19/2003 9:16:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: sargon
So what you are saying is that the state has no laws you should ever obey.

Your definition of "True Liberty" must be "anarchy" for all then.

When the people vote in representatives for themselves in this Democratic Republic, they have the right to create laws.
You could always move to an island where nobody knows what you do and you can live your dream life that doesn't exist here in the real world.
516 posted on 05/19/2003 9:24:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: xbar
What a fine boast, pregnancy is acceptable in high school?

No it isn't, maybe if you live in a neighborhood where everybody does it. Jerry Springer high perhaps?
That is exactly what drug advocates want that we don't ever need...acceptance!
We don't need to advocate the decline of a civilization.

You come off sounding like the Borg to me by suggesting resistance is futile, you shall assimilate.

Nope I DON'T drink the koolaid you are pouring bub, thanks though.
517 posted on 05/19/2003 9:33:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
there was no intent

That's what my kids told me after playing ball in the house and breaking a lamp: "We didn't MEAN to break it!" Didn't work for them, shouldn't work for ninja-wannabe Drug Warriors---or their pseudo-conservative cheerleaders.

this woman had a condition that pre-disposed her for a fatal heart attack.

It's her own damned fault she died---how dare she be in poor health when there's a War On Some Drugs on!

518 posted on 05/20/2003 5:59:01 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: A CA Guy
When a crime of force or fraud is committed, that's when Law Enforcement can be legitimately involved.

So what you are saying is that the state has no laws you should ever obey.

What a blatant, pathetic lie you have posted.

519 posted on 05/20/2003 6:01:08 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: A CA Guy
So the 'Koolaid' jibe is getting to you.

Good.
520 posted on 05/20/2003 6:25:45 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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