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Three Faiths -- Has the United States Become Judeo-Christian-Islamic?
NewHouse News Service ^ | 5/15/03 | Mark O'Keefe

Posted on 05/16/2003 8:27:26 AM PDT by Incorrigible

Has the United States Become Judeo-Christian-Islamic?

BY MARK O'KEEFE
Newhouse News Service

 
 
  Leading Muslim organizations say it's time for Americans to stop using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" when describing the values and character that define the United States. Better choices, they say, are "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic." Illustration by Monica Seaberry

 

Leading Muslim organizations say it's time for Americans to stop using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" when describing the values and character that define the United States.

Better choices, they say, are "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic," referring to Abraham, the patriarch held in common by the monotheistic big three religions.

The new language should be used "in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians and comments made in churches, synagogues and other places," said Agha Saeed, founder and chairman of the American Muslim Alliance, a political group headquartered in Fremont, Calif.

Other national Muslim groups supporting a change include the Council on American-Islamic Relations [CAIR], the Muslim American Society and the American Muslim Council.

The budding movement is largely unformed, and religion watchers question whether it will succeed. Still, the call for new terms shows that words carry huge symbolic importance for Muslims trying to find their role in America after Sept. 11 and the Iraq war.

"These are not just let's-make-you-feel-good words," Saeed said. "These are words that define how we're related to each other."

Others take offense, arguing that to alter the phrase "Judeo-Christian" is political correctness and revisionist history at its worst.

"A lot of the ideas that underpin civil liberties come from Judeo-Christian theology," said the Rev. Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs, Colo., president of the National Association of Evangelicals. "What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them."

Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Washington-based Ethics and Public Policy Center, said a "Judeo-Christian understanding of things like freedom of conscience and liberty" are embodied in the Constitution. "No offense intended," he said, "but Muslims weren't a part of that, even though they're part of the discussion now."

The conflict illustrates the power of words, especially those touching on religion, national history and identity.

In a 2002 survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Research Center for People and the Press, two-thirds of respondents said they consider the United States a "Christian nation" and 58 percent said the strength of American society is based on the religious faith of its people.

But only 14 percent said it is essential that a person believe in "basic Judeo-Christian values" in order to be a good American.

From its founding to the late 1940s, the United States was commonly described as Christian, a trend epitomized by an 1892 Supreme Court ruling in which Justice David Brewer wrote, "This is a Christian nation."

According to a 1984 scholarly article by religion writer Mark Silk, "Judeo-Christian" wasn't used to refer to a common American outlook of values and beliefs until World War II, when the supposedly Christian Nazis and their death camps made future references to "our Christian civilization" sound ominously exclusive.

"`Judeo-Christian,' which in 1952 looked like an incredibly inclusive term, doesn't look very inclusive now," said Silk, now director of the Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College, in Hartford. Conn., in an interview. "So we probably need a new term."

But, Silk acknowledged, "I think Judeo-Christian-Islamic is going to be hard for the public to accept at this moment when you've just had people attacking the United States in the name of Islam."

While "Judeo-Christian" may not be used with the frequency heard in the 1950s, it's still a part of the vernacular, uttered recently by public officials ranging from Republican Attorney General John Ashcroft to Sen. Ted Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat.

The movement to drop or change the phrase has some non-Muslim support, including the head of the National Council of Churches.

The Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

"The more inclusive we can be, the more committed we are to the founding fathers and mothers who struggled with the issue of respect for each other's religious faiths," Edgar said.

There are other arguments for change, among them these:

-- Numbers. The U.S. Muslim population is growing. Estimates are disputed but range as high as 7 million. This compares to an estimated 5 million Jews.

"Muslims are here, and there are 7 million of them, even though they're largely invisible to most Americans," said Saeed. "This necessitates some discussion about language."

-- Commonality. Even though many people emphasize the differences, Islam has similarities with Christianity and Judaism.

"We believe in heaven and hell, in doing good deeds, in following the Ten Commandments," said Hannah Hawk, a spokesperson for the Houston Muslim Public Affairs Council. "Islamic values are not only compatible with American values, they're almost identical. I personally believe the most Islamic country in the world is America, where we believe in freedom of religion, freedom of the press and equality of all."

-- Diplomacy. When President Bush mentions "churches and synagogues," he's quick to add "mosques," but many Islamic nations still perceive the United States as a Christian country bent on dominating Muslims in a modern-day crusade. An inclusive change of language could alter that view, said Zahid Bukhari, director of Muslims in the American Public Square at Washington's Georgetown University.

"It would convey a very positive message that it's not an issue of us versus them because Muslims are here," Bukhari said.

-- History. Some assert that African Muslims were among the slaves brought to America, as dramatized in Alex Haley's "Roots," a 1976 novel with a Muslim main character, Kunta Kinte. In addition, some argue that Islamic ideas helped shape the European West, which produced the values cherished by the Constitution's framers.

"What we call Western culture is in fact based on Muslim Middle East culture, but the average American doesn't know that," said Sharifa Alkhateeb, president of the Washington-based Muslim Education Council.

Alkhateeb, a consultant for textbook companies and school systems across the country, doesn't like "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it excludes other minority religions. But she finds "Judeo-Christian" as outdated as calling pluralism and multiculturalism "just having blacks and whites together."

Every time she meets public officials, whether Secretary of State Colin Powell or a small-town legislator, she asks them to include Muslim names and places in their speeches.

"It's exactly in those little things that people gain recognition as human beings or lose it," said Alkhateeb, who is also the founder of the North American Council for Muslim Women. "The Jewish movement in this country made people allergic to mention even a single word that could possibly be construed as anti-Jewish, and people don't even think about such words, much less speak them, now.

"How did that happen? One inch at a time, exactly as Muslims are trying to change the language now."

Osama Siblani, an influential voice among American Muslims and publisher of the Arab-American News in Dearborn, Mich., takes an even broader view.

"I believe we should call this the United States of America, made up of Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Jews and others," said Siblani. "This stuff about language has to stop. We are all just Americans."

(Mark O'Keefe can be contacted at mark.okeefe@newhouse.com)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: abrahamic; culture; faith; islam; judeochristian; muslimamericans
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To: Incorrigible
In addition, some argue that Islamic ideas helped shape the European West

This is true. If not for the threat of domination by the hordes of the Dark Lord Allah, the West might have never escaped the Dark Ages. Like the Black Plague, much good came from Islam's existence.

21 posted on 05/16/2003 11:04:34 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: Incorrigible
Actually, IMHO the United States has become a RELIGION FREE ZONE. There is always talk about Judeo-Christian founding and principles and NOW it is PC to include Islam's faith, however any public utterences of faith are taboo and most often illegal.
22 posted on 05/16/2003 11:09:36 AM PDT by PISANO
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To: gcruse
More often than not, when people refer to a Judeo-Christian America they are not referring to the exact makeup of present day America so much as our shared Judeo-Christian heritage.

If American were 100% Christian, we would nonetheless have a Judeo-Christian heritage. If America were 100% atheist, we would still have a Judeo-Christian heritage.

It is what our country was based and built on, no matter what our current mix is made up of.

23 posted on 05/16/2003 11:26:12 AM PDT by keithtoo (Luvya Dubya)
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To: Incorrigible
I would agree to the Muslims being added only if the ACLU treats them as shabbily and censoriously as said ACLU treats Christian-Judeo values and beliefs.
24 posted on 05/16/2003 11:26:35 AM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: Luna
Christian-Judeo = Judeo-Christian.
25 posted on 05/16/2003 11:27:31 AM PDT by Luna (Evil will not triumph...God is at the helm)
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To: Incorrigible
Better choices, they say, are "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic,"

Over my dead body.

26 posted on 05/16/2003 11:34:56 AM PDT by backhoe (A nuke for every Kook ( NK, Iraq, Iran, Pak, India... )- what a Clinton "legacy...")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"Part of the Islamic creed is lying is OK to promote Islam. "

Not exactly the "values and chararter that define the United States."

No. But it does define the American Democrat Party!

27 posted on 05/16/2003 11:36:19 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Incorrigible
"Estimates are disputed but range as high as 7 million

If I believed the statistics, I would have to be a gay islamist.

My understanding is that there is only about 1 million Muslims in the US. And this is only because of a stupid immigration policy that favored middle eastern countries.

The reason Judeo-Christian applies. Is not because there are 5 million Jews, but that Judeo-Christian can refer to the Christians whether there were any Jews or not. Christianity is the fulfillment of Jewish prophecies.

28 posted on 05/16/2003 11:42:00 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Incorrigible
...said the Rev. Ted Haggard of Colorado Springs, Colo., president of the National Association of Evangelicals: "What the Islamic community needs to make are positive contributions to culture and society so we can include them."

Does anyone know if 'page 1' been completed yet??

29 posted on 05/16/2003 11:54:27 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: DannyTN
My understanding is that there is only about 1 million Muslims in the US. And this is only because of a stupid immigration policy that favored middle eastern countries.

Do you have information about who is responsible for the favored middle eastern countries immigation policy? I would appreciate this info very much. Thanks.
30 posted on 05/16/2003 12:05:28 PM PDT by Travelgirl
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To: Travelgirl
"Do you have information about who is responsible for the favored middle eastern countries immigation policy?"

I don't, I understand it's set by the state department. So culpability probably lies both with certain administrations and Secretary of States as well as career state department bureacrats.

31 posted on 05/16/2003 12:15:25 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Incorrigible
What a load of BS.

Muslims are new members of teh Polity. They had nothing to do with the founding of the American Republic. We got nothing from them as far as our political beliefs, history, or culture.
The US was founded as a Protestant nation, at a time when Old-Testament structures were in vogue. Thus a case, but not a particularly compelling one, can be made to call us a Judeo-Christian country.
The US was a Christian nation. I'm not sure it is today, but it should be.

If simple existance of peoples in the Republic are to affect its trancedant nature, then why not include Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Confuscians, Zoroastrians, Bahai, animists, Shamanists,.....

Finally, where teh heck are teh Muslims getting these numbers? There are fewer than 3 million of them in the US.

32 posted on 05/16/2003 4:30:09 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: gcruse
Does it matter, though? If five million people in the US believe it, at minimum the same size group as the Jewish, then it is as worthy of recognition as Judaism in describing American religious culture.

Yes it matters. Judeo-Christian works because Christianity is closely related to Judaism...as daughter and mother. Judaism gave us our Old Testament and from the Jewish people came Our Lord.

Islam gave us nothing but unremitting warfare since it's inception. It is a lie, established by the father of lies.

33 posted on 05/16/2003 4:35:48 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan
I don't care if it works or not. If efficacy were the key to validating religions, we'd all be existentialist. If Muslims represent as much of this culture as Jews do, then we don't live in just a Judeo-Christian nation. This isn't Kansas anymore, Toto. The encroachment of Spanish is just the beginning of America's transformation.
34 posted on 05/16/2003 4:49:19 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: Incorrigible
The Judeo-Christian description is in reference to the founding of this nation. Might as well add Scientoligists to the description of this nation.

The Judeo-Christian Bible was an important book in the lives of the people who founded this nation. The islamic faith works from a radically rewritten version of this text. The founding fathers did not read that document.

35 posted on 05/16/2003 4:56:01 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Incorrigible
The Rev. Bob Edgar, general secretary of the council, which represents 36 Christian denominations, said he prefers "Abrahamic" to "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" because it "rolls off the tongue a little easier."

When I saw Little Richard last year (he's a minister, right?) he said that when he saw those men fly those planes into the WTC, he knew that they couldn't be followers of the God of Abraham.

36 posted on 05/16/2003 4:59:20 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Incorrigible
This idea is becoming too popular. The following appeared in today's Virginian-Pilot:

Three faiths' symposium tries to foster diversity

Abraham's Children Together (ACT), a tri-faith Christian, Jewish and Islamic group, will host a symposium, "Three Faiths Approach Life's Challenges: How Our Faith Affects the Way We Live," on Sunday, June 8, from 2 to 4 p.m. in the Parish Hall of Blessed Sacrament Church, Norfolk.

The church is at the corner of Painter Street and Newport Avenue, behind DePaul Hospital.

Offering perspectives will be Rabbi Michael Panitz of Temple Israel, Norfolk; the Rev. Thomas Quinlan of Holy Family Catholic Church, Virginia Beach; and Dr. Ahmed Noor of the Mosque and Islamic Center of Hampton. A question-and-answer session will follow led by Bob Glover, executive director of the DSC Community Mediation Center.

ACT aspires to promote greater understanding and appreciation of diversity in society.

For more information abot the event or about facilitated interfaith dialogues, call Barbara Hughes at 495-5130 or email her at Bhughes456@aol.com; or contact Bob Glover at 480-2777 or at BobG@infionline.net.

37 posted on 05/24/2003 6:00:34 AM PDT by pkjeff ( <><)
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