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Md. Teacher Finds Botched PSAT Question
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Posted on 05/15/2003 4:07:50 PM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: George from New England
Most freepers so far seem to have overlooked the brainwashing that's everywhere in our educational system. Personally, I just recognized it as par for the course. (Uh oh, did I just make a politically incorrect reference to Augusta?)
To: IronJack
Sorry; I posted the same thing later, without reading the thread. Agree completely.
To: ZinGirl
He's wrong.
Take the original sentence...
"Toni Morrison's genius enables her to create novels that arise from and express the injustices African-Americans have endured."
...and now pare it down to the subject, verb, and object...
"Toni Morrison's genius enables her to create novels that arise from and express the injustices African-Americans have endured."
Those three words are the guts of the sentence. "Her" is the proper pronoun to use because it is an objective pronoun and it refers to Toni Morrison, not to her alleged genius. No other objective pronoun makes sense here.
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posted on
05/15/2003 4:54:01 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
(All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
To: Right Wing Professor
Toni Morrison is a proper noundoesn't sound to me like Toni Morrison was a proper ANYTHING. (see post #52)....sorry, can't come up with the Latin version!
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posted on
05/15/2003 4:54:57 PM PDT
by
ZinGirl
To: Drango
Grammatically, you could use either 'massive' or 'massively' -- but the meaning of the sentence changes. 'Massive' would ordinarily be parsed as a modifier of 'navel', where 'massively', being an adjective, would modify 'hairy', implying an exceptional amount of hair.
Factually, though, neither is correct. 'Massive', despite continuous misuse by news readers and alleged journalists, is not a synonym for 'huge' (or 'hugh' either :^) ). The word's principal meaning is 'weighty' or 'having great weight'. Therefore, the former usage would imply that you will have SERIOUS health problems in the future, and the latter that you probably are a candidate for inclusion in the Guiness Book of Records, under 'World's Heaviest Hair'.
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posted on
05/15/2003 4:56:29 PM PDT
by
SAJ
Comment #86 Removed by Moderator
"It enables her to write."
ostensible -ping-
LOL at the caller for F.Christian -- what an inside joke, no offense meant in any direction.
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posted on
05/15/2003 4:57:48 PM PDT
by
Cboldt
To: ThinkDifferent
"Toni Morrison's" is an adjective describing and identifying "genius".
There are several posts which show correct alternative structures.
Basic rule:
"An adjective modifies a noun or a pronoun by describing, identifying, or quantifying words. An adjective usually precedes the noun or the pronoun which it modifies.
The fact that in common usage grammer slides alot doesn't change what's grammatically correct. The grammer of most people is atrocious.
This teacher pressed on the issue because a student recognizing the grammatical error would have scored an incorrect answer.
The fact that most people would not notice the error is irrelevant. If you are going to have a grammar question on a PSAT test, you better make sure you are dead right.
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posted on
05/15/2003 4:58:02 PM PDT
by
visualops
(It's the cream of the crap, it's the top of the slime, it's the Democratic Agenda!)
To: netmilsmom
Technically then, I think it should be:
"Toni Morrison's genius enables THE AUTHOR to create novels that arise from and express the injustices African-Americans have endured."
But as a sentence, it seems initially poor anyway. Her genius would produce a brilliant expression of the injustices, but it would be her experience or knowledge that would allow the brilliantly-written novels to have risen from the topics mentioned.
I have never read any of her writings, so really can't comment otherwise.
To: ZinGirl
doesn't sound to me like Toni Morrison was a proper ANYTHINGA proper fraud. I tried once to read 'The bluest eyes' . I couldn't make it past the third page, which is a record for me; I can generally make it past the tenth page, no batter how awful the book.
To: SAJ
'massively', being an adjective Adverb, actually, and so it would modify the adjective as you said while the adjective modifies the noun. Can this single sentence be used to illustrate all the rules of grammar? Starting to look that way.
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:01:19 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Post no Bills)
To: Lil'freeper
Imagine being 16 years old and having such a ridiculous assertion forced on you. This would certainly disrupt my concentration. Would it sound paranoid to suggest that this is an attempt to brainwash, even in the middle of a test?
I'm dismayed that obsessive victimization is considered 'genius'.
Comment #93 Removed by Moderator
To: ZinGirl
"Toni Morrison's genius enables her to create novels that arise from and express the injustices African-Americans have endured." The correct answer is "False". This is a true-false test, isn't it?
DWG
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:02:55 PM PDT
by
DownWithGreenspan
(The penalty for treason is death... liberalism IS treason... Q.E.D.)
To: RightWhale
Quite right -- most certainly an adverb modifying the adjective.
Amazing what proofreading might do for one, eh? Sigh.
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:03:55 PM PDT
by
SAJ
To: krb
...except it doesn't dangle. If the PSAT sentence is incorrect, then 'My computer enables me to post to the internet' is incorrect. How would one correct that? My computer enables it to post to the internet? Well, it might be doing that, but I haven't caught it at it so far.
To: Right Wing Professor
A proper fraud.I stand corrected.
speaking of Latin (yes you were!), I can't help but brag about my homeschooled nephew who is in his 3rd or 4th year of Latin (he'll be 13 next month) and doing great.
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:05:43 PM PDT
by
ZinGirl
(Latin is a lost art....unfortunately)
To: DownWithGreenspan
LOL....good one.
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:06:15 PM PDT
by
ZinGirl
To: visualops
a student recognizing the grammatical error would have scored an incorrect answer. That is the problem the best students have faced since tests were first administered. Some amount of time is usually wasted at Mensa club general meetings on this very topic.
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posted on
05/15/2003 5:06:47 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Post no Bills)
To: ZinGirl
A google of the sentance in question revealed the following from the
College Board
A problem with Writing Skills question 10, in Section 5 of the Tuesday edition of the 2002 PSAT/NMSQT, created the need to rescore the test without the question. The question and directions for answering it are reproduced below:
Directions: The following sentences test your knowledge of grammar, usage, diction (choice of words), and idiom. Some sentences are correct. No sentence contains more than one error. You will find that the error, if there is one, is underlined and lettered. Elements of the sentence that are not underlined will not be changed. In choosing answers, follow the requirements of standard written English. If there is an error, select the one underlined part that must be changed to make the sentence correct and fill in the corresponding oval on your answer sheet. If there is no error, fill in answer oval E.
The Question:
10. Toni Morrison's genius enables her to create novels that arise from and express the injustice
ABC
African Americans have endured. No error
DE
The intended answer was (E), "No error." Choice (A), however, could also be considered correct. Although it is clear that the pronoun "her" in choice (A) can only refer to Toni Morrison, some usage manuals advise against such a construction on the grounds that a pronoun should not refer to a noun in the possessive case ("Toni Morrison's") because the noun is functioning as a modifier. If this advice were to be followed here, choice (A) would have to be revised to read "Morrison to create."
The question was thrown out because it had 2 potentially correct answers according to some usage manuals.
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