[Dan from Michigan]

I have to get that off my chest.

[JonathansMommie]

Thought you might like to read this

[annyokie]

We have billboards here in OK that say "click it or ticket."

[duk]

I saw the ad yesterday and feel the same. The cops have nothing better to do with their college ed/police academy training then right speeding tickets, seatbelt violations, no tag on trailer, ect. The money my little community (U.P.) spends for sheriff, city and state police is unreal.

I estimate at least 25 police officers in Alger county (4500 pop.). Three different buildings for the: sheriff, state and city, all in the same town. I don't even know how many cars, suvs, jeeps the three forces have. Payrolls, insurance, maintance, retirement plans, building expenses, ect.

And they right me up for parking on the street during the snow parking ban. By the way, there was no snow on the road, ground or even in the forecast. Go figure!

To many Barney Fifes out there.

[iamright]

I actually had to pay the fine in TX over 7 years ago.
Seatbelt laws $uck!

[buffyt]

I am sick to death of the nannystate. I grew up without seatbelts and was never injured in a car wreck without seatbelts! What about motorcycles, there are no seatbelts! And they are allowed on highways that way. SHEESH! Gov. get OUT of my Face!

[Mark Turbo]

and it's also saying "SIR! YES! SIR!" to the insurance lobbies, particulary AAA.

Tell me about it. Every issue of AAA's michigan LIVING is guaranteed to have at least one pro-nanny state article. In the latest issue (May/June 2003), the Viewpoint ends with nagging at the legislature to lower the legal blood alcohol limit to 0.08 lest we lose federal highway funding.

[IronJack]

How am I harming anyone by not wearing a seatbelt if I make that choice?

According to the nannyists, if you incur greater harm by not wearing a seat belt, there is a cost to society from your lost productivity, your medical care, and the trauma to your family and friends. That entitles society to dictate your behavior. It's the old "No man is an island" argument.

It's all crap of course, but try convincing the soccer mom crowd of that. And don't kid yourself; there are some of those on this very forum.

[goodnesswins]

If I remember correctly, here in Washington, the State, orders have gone out for officers to TICKET a certain amount of people for NON-seatbelt wearing (I could be mistaken).....and yes, we have the "Click-it or Ticket" signs everywhere.....I have one question.....

Do MOTORCYCLISTS have to WEAR seatbelts? (Or bicyclists, for that matter.) If not, why not? If they can drive without one, what's the deal with someone in a car not having one on (if they don't want to?) Or...are we pretty soon going to also have to wear helmets inside of our cars, too? I know this sounds like a dumb question, but it seems a good lawyer could use it to nullify the stupid seatbelt laws.

[uvular]

We got the same type of announcements here in Indiana; first I thought it was partially due to the upcoming 3 day holiday of Memorial Day. Could be, but there's been alot of stories in the past week about states not raising taxes, but resorting to 'fees and fines' to raise money.

Moved from home state of Michigan (50 year resident)last year, and one of the reasons was the dang no fault insurance.

[Revel]

The seat belt law has been pushed by the feds and enacted by the states for one main reason. And that was to condition people to be told what to do in the private areas of there lives. This was a great success and has led to an acceptance by the American people to allow the government to control and regulate areas of there lives that have no buisness being regulated under the ideas by which this nation was founded. Even the constituion is not respected anymore. All of this is leading us to the goals of the lust for power by those who have been corrupted by that power. Never content to have enough power they will always require more as long they can get away with it. Of course now that we have the seatbelt laws it becomes an irrestible source of money for politcal leaders.

[lennydetroit]

I have to get that off my chest.

Dan, you hit on something that's been on my chest for years -- the policy of using police manpower not to "serve and protect" but instead to harass and collect!

Down here in Hamtramck, MI our former mayor waged war on drivers with a viscious program of "overtime traffic control" in which officers volunteered to work overtime parked behind the downhill slopes of railroad abutments on the city's outskirts to snare speeders.

This month the chickens came home to roost. The city was hit with an $8.1 million judgment in favor of retired cops, most of whom don't live in the city and many of whom made more per year on the overtime program than they did in regular salary, because the city failed to count overtime pay when calculating retirement benefits. Now every Hamtramck homeowner will be charged $1500 or more in property taxes to pay for the award.

Regards, Lenny

[Drammach]

2. Years ago when seatbelts became law, they said it would never become a primary offense to pull people over. Guess what? They LIED!

Public statements were made to that effect, weren't they?
ANY LAWYERS OUT THERE?
What's the Legal Standing here?

Promises were made, publicly, that such a state of affairs would never come to pass.
Now that it has, can't this law be taken into court and repealed?

Can Civil Suits be filed against those politicians that misrepresented seat belt laws, or against those that now fail to honor the original intent and spirit of the laws as passed?
OR BOTH?

[backhoe]

Dan, I mentioned this on another forum:

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IMO, it's a shakedown racket, plain & simple- it's about getting more money via tickets and matching funds.

I ran a wrecker service here from 1991-1999, and previously in the 1970's, and I've seen every kind of car wreck you can name.

There is a lot of dis-ingenuity associated with seat belts, laws, and the police stories about them.

A common misdirection is a policeman's statement "I never have unbuckled a dead one..." which is true as far as it goes, but here in Georgia, a dead person in a vehicle is required by law to be unbuckled by an MD or coroner... see how it works?

Statistically, you have a 3 out of 4 chance of "being less severely injured if you wear a belt..."

What they aren't telling you is that you may be dead anyway- just "not as badly mangled..."

Also not mentioned much is that 1 in 4 occurence when the belt pins you down while you drown, burn, etc.

All that said, wearing a belt will usually help your chances, and if you are driving it performs the very critical function of holding you at the controls so you have some chance of further controlling the vehicle.

What I would really like to see is more information and choices- tell the driver just what happens in various kinds of wrecks, and let them decide which kind of chance they want to take.

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Source:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=615963&Forum=All_Forums&Words=backhoe&Match=Username&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=612551#Post615963

[Dan from Michigan]

#@%^^@^

They are at it again. Radio ads. !#^!#!#

[Dan from Michigan]

Here we go again. :(

[bankwalker]

"Bucket up or Pay up"

Will this one make it to the FR hall of fame?