BUSH BLUNDERS ARE HARD TO KEEP UP WITH

NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 1, 2003 | Pastor Chuck Baldwin

[11B3]

Thanks for pointing out that Joe Farah is your personal mentor. Now we all know to ignore you on anything that you post in the future. You are no different than the mullahs of fundamental Islam. A zealot is a zealot no matter what form of extremism they are obsessed with. I'll waste no more of Jim's bandwidth on you, that's for sure.

[Republican_Strategist]

The only lie is the lie you tell yourself when you call yourself or Bush a conservative.

No, no, yes, sort of, wasn't it this President who spent months trying to empower the U.N., isn't he offering Russia and France a role in rebuilding Iraq, Bush is saying he agrees with Clinton's assault weapons ban, you couldn't - that's why, and your claiming this is nothing but lies - that's a lie.

[Diddle E. Squat]

LOL, he's from YOUR neck of the woods bump

[Republican_Strategist]

No, I stand on principle. I am conservative. You are just a leftist that like labeling yourself one way and not living up to the ideals you claim to endorse.

[Judith Anne]

If my last name was Clymer, I'd change it.

The Constitution Party? Just another name for Bush-bashers.

[Risa]

>>Did you know the Department of Education was recommended by the head of the Communist Party USA in a book titled, “Moving Toward Soviet America?” <<

Although I don't know what you are talking about, I am not surprised. Everyone knows that the marxist-derived multiculturalist/diversity doctrine has infected the k-12 education system, the universities and American media.

risa

[onyx]

"Chuckles" that's a good one. Actually, creeps like "Chuckles" masquarade as conservatives, as in "a wolf in sheep's clothing" --- "a dimocrat proclaiming conservatism." What better way to gain attention and simultaneously paint conservatives with a broad hateful brush.

[fightinJAG]

Also, is it possible that an organization, even a church, might change since 1985??

[Judith Anne]

You're conservative? You sure aren't a Republican_Strategist. That's a clean and noble thing to be, next to you. P.S. Gary Bauer is a lisping sissy.

[Bella_Bru]

I hear he makes a helluva good pancake breakfast,though. :-P

[onyx]

Excellent post #93!

[Southack]

"Bush is quite media savvy. He has convinced you people that he is conservative and you are conservative although he says things like Campaign Finance Reform is unconstitutional and signs it anyway. He has no principles. The Farm Bill was reminiscent of Soviet-style collectivism and Bush supported it 100%..."

No, the Farm Bill was loaded with grade A pork, but that's a far cry from collectivism.

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This is Collectivism.

Soviet Collectivization

When Vladimir Ilych Lenin (1870-1924) and the Bolshevik party seized control of Russia in 1917, they gradually introduced collectivization. That is, property was seized from its owners without compensation, and consolidated into collectives supposedly owned by the state and controlled by the people. Workers in each factory or company were organized into (compulsory) collectives, supposedly with some power and input into how the factory or company would operate. In fact, they were usually organized into sham unions, and the factory or company became a totally-controlled part of the command economy of the Bolshevik-controlled state. Real criticism of the management of the enterprise was usually not allowed. Criticism was dangerous.

This system worked so badly in practice that in 1921 Lenin retreated from it. War Communism, as the policy was called, had been introduced partly to fight White opposition to the Revolution but mostly for ideological reasons. (The German philosopher and economist Karl Marx (1818-1883) had believed that capitalist production was exploitive.) War Communism reduced industrial production to one-seventh of what it had been before the Revolution and caused a famine that took five million lives. Like Castro five decades later, Lenin thus announced a New Economic Policy (1921-1928) that allowed a certain amount of small-scale capitalism.

The New Economic Policy worked a bit better. It produced some goods, but was rather corrupt. By the late 1920s Lenin's successor Joseph Stalin (1879-1953) felt it wasn't working. He was unhappy with having reintroduced some capitalistic features. !n 1928 Stalin again abolished capitalism.

Collectivization returned to high gear in the early 1930s when Stalin collectivized Soviet agriculture. This ruthless, merciless policy caused the death of perhaps 16,000,000 people, many by execution but most by famine. About nine million were Ukrainians.

The Soviets tried to hide the results of the collectivization: famine, starvation, and death. But word eventually leaked to the West.

Since then collectivization has had a terrible reputation. The failures of collectivist agriculture and the similar failures of industrial collectivization have destroyed collectivism in the minds of most people.

But this did not occur all at once. For decades the Soviets introduced forced collectivization into the Eastern European countries that fell into their orbit. The Chinese under Mao Zedong introduced collectivization into China as soon as they had taken power in 1947. They executed hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of landlords and capitalists, and proceeded to create communes. These succeeded about as well as the Soviet ones, i.e., not at all. (If there is one thing the 20th century learned, it is -- Don't collectivize agriculture!)

Forced collectivization of farms and industrial enterprises worked so badly that by 1960 the Soviets were giving bonuses to workers and factories who produced beyond the quota established in the Five-Year Plan. In some collectivized enterprises throughout the Soviet bloc, management sometimes tried to get around central organization and to introduce a certain amount of freedom in production. Most of the Soviet Union's food came from private plots tended by caring farmers, though this land was actually only a minor fraction of the acreage devoted to agriculture in the collectives. Agricultural collectives were vastly unproductive.

Thus in the 1980s and 1990s Hungary quietly began decollectivizing numerous enterprises. Even communist Cuba under Fidel Castro (19 -  ) began to allow small businesses.

[onyx]

Awaiting your response to post #93.......................

GOTCHA.

[fightinJAG]

Exactly. So where does a kingpin in the vaunted Constitution Party get off giving advice on how to be a good Republican?

And why doesn't Chuckles' minion, Republican_Strategist, call himself ConstituitonParty_Strategist?

[Judith Anne]

Because he's here to stir up $#!+ pancakes. ;-D

Now, if Gary could only learn to walk and chew gum on stage....

[DB]

You're right. I'm happy not be what it is you claim conservative means.

You're an interesting sort. And absolutist. If someone doesn't agree with you 100% they are 100% wrong.

You live in an impossible world.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Yes, he's "blundering" all the way to a second term.

[fightinJAG]

Okay, now for some famous Dubya spirits-lifting---

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911165/posts

[onyx]

Great link, thanks. President Bush is both loved and respected. It killing the opposition, and I love it!

[onyx]

Where has the reprobate gone? To his favorite porn site no doubt