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To: WhiskeyPapa
Why not?

Walt, I know your position on this. For us to get into a debate would be like pissing in the wind. We don't agree, and we never will.

I consider erecting that statue to be about the same as painting a swastika on the grave of a Jew.

I know you do not agree with or relate to that. And, again, I do have respect for Lincoln and I do think it is good for the country that the North prevailed.

Still, that statue is a desecration.

435 posted on 05/16/2003 8:11:31 AM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: The Other Harry
I consider erecting that statue to be about the same as painting a swastika on the grave of a Jew.

That's hate speech.

Gee, maybe I should suggest that you be banned.

Oh well.

"Mr. WINIK: Yeah. Yeah, Cit--City Point is--is in Virginia, and it's where U.S. Grant, the commanding general of the Union armies--where he had his floating--his floating fortress. City Camp was, in effect, an armed command post for the Northern Army as they were encircling the--Lee's army in--in Petersburg and in Richmond. And they met it on March 27th and March 28th, where Lincoln actually wanted to see the front lines and confer with his commanding generals.

And it was from City Point that--that Lincoln, in that same meeting that he--he talks about his fears of guerrilla warfare, in the same meeting where he talks about his fear that this--there will be a final bloody Armageddon, he does something quite unique. Abraham Lincoln says--he says, `When this war is over, there must be no hangings, there must be no bloody work.' And, of course, what is--what is sort of looming large in his mind is the specter of the French Revolution, because it--it loomed large in the minds of all Americans. And, of course, to remind our listeners and our viewers here, in the French Revolution, the revolutionaries started out with the best of intentions, and before everybody knew it, they were guillotining the opposition, and before everybody knew it, they were guillotining each other, and before everybody knew it, it would engulf all of a continent.

-- Interview with Jay Winek, author of "April, 1865"

------------------------------------------------------------ "Once the three stood agreed on the terms, Sherman and Johnston signed it and Sherman called for copies to be made for their two governments. He then he spoke to the two Confederates of Lincoln's assassination. [General Joe]Johnston confided to Sherman his horror at the deed, fearing it would be blamed on the Confederates, and that Lincoln might have been their greatest ally in reconstruction." Stepping outside to their now mingled escorts, they found the news generally known, as Sherman introduced the two of them to his staff, and Breckinridge and Reagan discussed it with some of their followers. The postmaster said he hoped no connection between the murdered and their cause would be found, or it should go hard for them, while [Secretary of War] Breckinridge said Lincoln's death at this time and in this manner must precipitate great calamity for them. "Gentlemen," he told them, “the South has lost its best friend." At once he wrote a message to be taken by courier to Davis, announcing the assassination and what he called the "dastardly attempt" on Seward. As soon as he got back to Goldsboro and the telegraph, he would send a wire with more details Sherman also took Breckinridge aside privately and advised him that despite the provision for universal amnesty in their agreement, he doubted that the North would allow it to apply o the civil leaders. If they could, they had all better leave the country especially Davis. Noting that there was particular hostility toward Breckinridge since, as one-time vice president, he was the highest ranking living civilian to go over to the rebellion he advised the Kentuckian to be sure to get away. Breckinridge replied that he would give the Yankees no more trouble on his own account, and that he would attempt to get Davis and himself and the rest out of the country as soon as possible.

-"An Honorable Defeat" pp.166-67 by William C. Davis

"...in the wake of the assasination, editors, generals and public officials across the South voiced the opinion that the region had lost its best friend. Indignation meetings, so-called, were convened in many places. Lincoln stood for peace, mercy, and forgiveness. His loss, therefore, was a calamity for the defeated states. This opinion was sometimes ascribed to Jefferson Davis, even though he stood accused of complicity in the assasination....He [Davis] read the telegram [bringing news of Lincoln's death] and when it brought an exultant shout raised his hand to check the demonstration..."He had power over the Northern people," Davis wrote in his memoir of the war," and was without malignity to the southern people."

...Alone of the southern apologists, [Alexander] Stephens held Lincoln in high regard. "The Union with him in sentiment," said the Georgian, "rose to the sublimnity of religious mysticism...in 1873 "Little Elick" Stephens, who again represented his Georgia district in Congress, praised Lincoln for his wisdom, kindness and generosity in a well-publicized speech seconding the acceptance of the gift of Francis B. Carpenter's famous painting of Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation."...[in 1880] a young law student at the University of Virginia, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, speaking for the southern generation that grew to maturity after the war, declared, "I yield to no one precedence in love of the South. But because I love the South, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy".

...the leading proponent of that creed was Henry W. Grady, editor of the Atlanta Constitution. In 1886 Grady, thirty-six years old, was invited to address the New England Society of New York, on the 266th anniversary to the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth. General Sherman, seated on the platform, was an honored guest, and the band played [I am not making this up] "Marching Through Georgia" before Grady was introduced. Pronouncing the death of the Old South, he lauded the New South of Union and freedom and progress. And he offered Lincoln as the vibrant symbol not alone of reconciliation but of American character. "Lincoln," he said, "comprehended within himself all the strength, and gentleness, all the majesty and grace of the republic." He was indeed, the first American, "the sum of Puritan and Cavalier, in whose ardent nature were fused the virtues of both, and in whose great soul the faults of both were lost."

--From "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson P. 46-48

I think Mr. Lincoln's memory can withstand your assault.

Walt

440 posted on 05/16/2003 8:32:34 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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