[DPB101]

Excerpts from the transcripts are on this thread:

Levin and Collins Trigger Disinformation. Senate Historian Clams Up When Queried On McCarthy

[#3Fan]

In 1954, when some snot at the 15th reunion of his class got up to toast Harvard College for never having produced an Alger Hiss or a Joe McCarthy, John F. Kennedy stood up and walked out, roaring, "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor."

Wow, is this correct?

[SJSAMPLE]

Pat Buchanan wasn't a young Marine waiting on a transport off the coast of the Japanes islands. He wasn't contemplating the horrors that he would have faced in the invasion of the Japanese mainland. And he certainly wasn't a veteran of numerous island-hopping campaigns that claimed THOUSANDS of lives.

I'm most interested in his use of the term "defenseless."

[FReepaholic]

>>...In 1954, when some snot at the 15th reunion of his class got up to toast Harvard College for never having produced an Alger Hiss or a Joe McCarthy, John F. Kennedy stood up and walked out, roaring, "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor." ...<<

Yeah, but JFK doesn't say who he was referring to as the traitor and who was the great American.

(This is what 8 years of parsing Klinton's statements will do to you)

[Tacis]

McCarthy represents the greatest victory that the communist ultra-left and their running dogs in the American media ever had. They dig him up in memory of that victory and the scam it represented. It is also the basis for most of what the left tries to pull today.

The left, through ownwership of all the communications media, was able to label inquiries into ones traitorous activities as "McCathyism" and use that defense as a mechanism that allowed the entire burden to be shifted back to the inquirer. A commie didn't have to answer questions about his treason but could simply claim "McCathyism" as an absolute defense and one that put the questioner on the defense. Hollywood loved it because they and the State Department had most of the commies.

The fairies love it. They no long have to respond to questions about pedophilia or they spread of fairy diseases, they simply shout "homophobia," as an absolute defense. All America haters love these devises because they shift the issue from rational examination of issues and facts to pure emotional shouting. But, now that we have free media in this country, it will no longer work and that is why the neocommunists and paleoleftists love to dig up Joe.

[Mr.Clark]

I've always had a sort of crazy theory that McCarthy was a Soviet spy. He was right concerning the Soviet spy networks in America, but he was a horrible messenger. So, the message was correct, but the messenger could be derided forever.

[Tamzee]

Confirmation of that statement...

"Robert Armory, who had been at the dinner and who later worked in the Kennedy Administration recalled in an oral history at the JFK Library that when a speaker had likened McCarthy to the convicted Soviet spy Alger Hiss, JFK rose to his feet and declared "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!" and walked out. The incident has never been denied by anyone who was there, and is accepted by JFK biographers Herbert Parmet, Thomas Reeves and Chris Matthews."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Harry Truman dropped atomic bombs on two defenseless cities of a prostrate nation

What the..... oh Buchanan wrote it. Never mind. *sigh*

(I suggest that someday he visit Okanawa and see the rubble it was reduced to and imagine what it would have been like to have had to do that all across Japan. Prostrate nation my foot!)

[templar]

Harry Truman dropped atomic bombs on two defenseless cities of a prostrate nation ...

That's not the way I heard it. And I heard it from the people who were involved with fighting Japan back then; the ones that survived.

I used to sorta like Pat. Statements like this make me reconsider.

[Sci Fi Guy]

Harry Truman dropped atomic bombs on two defenseless cities of a prostrate nation

LOL, I didn't notice who the author was, but when I read this line - I knew. Only Pat would describe our enemy in WW2 as prostrate and defenseless. I wonder how many of our WW2 Marine Vets think that they fought a "prostrate nation."

[petuniasevan]

I live in the Appleton (WI) area. McCarthy's grave is regularly visited by people who bring flowers. Once in a while some moron tries to vandalize the site. Then the local paper gets its panties in a twist over the late Senator's life and political actions.

Not once does the paper condemn the vandals, and only mentioned in a single sentence the flowers on the grave.

No, the vandalism was an excuse for the local rag to excoriate McCarthy yet again.

[WOSG]

Alger Hiss was a member of the elite, btw ... Johns Hopkins University, 1926.

Joe McCarthy was a better man than he.

[Lancey Howard]

BTTT

[KingofQue]

McCarthy was on to them and they had to discredit him. So they did and they will resurrect him any time they feel endangered. That is when you look for the real story.

[x]

Statesmanship is not about making noises and attracting attention. It has to do with having a long term effect on the nation's history. McCarthy concentrated on exploiting real issues for short-term political gain, stinting accuracy and carefulness to get headlines. That's why he has such a bad reputation.

[ex-snook]

Thanks for the post. McCarthy's biggest mistake was he UNDERESTIMATED the influence of Communists in government, media and Hollywood. They were then as now 'touchables' hence the flogging of McCarthy's corpse because McCarthy alone stemmed their takeover of America.

I'm sure you will see the usual sh't from those trying to change the subject from McCarthy to Buchanan.

[american spirit]

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