When the Right was Right

The Washington Dispatch ^ | 5/11/03 | Pat Buchanan

[DPB101]

Excerpts from the transcripts are on this thread:

Levin and Collins Trigger Disinformation. Senate Historian Clams Up When Queried On McCarthy

[#3Fan]

In 1954, when some snot at the 15th reunion of his class got up to toast Harvard College for never having produced an Alger Hiss or a Joe McCarthy, John F. Kennedy stood up and walked out, roaring, "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor."

Wow, is this correct?

[SJSAMPLE]

Pat Buchanan wasn't a young Marine waiting on a transport off the coast of the Japanes islands. He wasn't contemplating the horrors that he would have faced in the invasion of the Japanese mainland. And he certainly wasn't a veteran of numerous island-hopping campaigns that claimed THOUSANDS of lives.

I'm most interested in his use of the term "defenseless."

[#3Fan]

WOW! I bet this little known fact “irks” the Kennedys almost as much as that awesome tax-cut ad citing JFK. Beautiful thing!

Yeah, I'm going to keep this little jewel of information handy. :^)

[Balto_Boy]

Pat Buchanan also wasn't one of the 5-15 million Chinese who were slaughtered in Japan's war against China, which if I'm correct was still being waged by this "prostrate" nation at the time the bombs were dropped.

Hi also doesn't tell us what alternative to the bomb was available that would not have endangered American live and would have resulted in fewer Japanese deaths.

[FReepaholic]

>>...In 1954, when some snot at the 15th reunion of his class got up to toast Harvard College for never having produced an Alger Hiss or a Joe McCarthy, John F. Kennedy stood up and walked out, roaring, "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor." ...<<

Yeah, but JFK doesn't say who he was referring to as the traitor and who was the great American.

(This is what 8 years of parsing Klinton's statements will do to you)

[Tacis]

McCarthy represents the greatest victory that the communist ultra-left and their running dogs in the American media ever had. They dig him up in memory of that victory and the scam it represented. It is also the basis for most of what the left tries to pull today.

The left, through ownwership of all the communications media, was able to label inquiries into ones traitorous activities as "McCathyism" and use that defense as a mechanism that allowed the entire burden to be shifted back to the inquirer. A commie didn't have to answer questions about his treason but could simply claim "McCathyism" as an absolute defense and one that put the questioner on the defense. Hollywood loved it because they and the State Department had most of the commies.

The fairies love it. They no long have to respond to questions about pedophilia or they spread of fairy diseases, they simply shout "homophobia," as an absolute defense. All America haters love these devises because they shift the issue from rational examination of issues and facts to pure emotional shouting. But, now that we have free media in this country, it will no longer work and that is why the neocommunists and paleoleftists love to dig up Joe.

[Mr.Clark]

I've always had a sort of crazy theory that McCarthy was a Soviet spy. He was right concerning the Soviet spy networks in America, but he was a horrible messenger. So, the message was correct, but the messenger could be derided forever.

[cornelis]

In a nutshell, the argument "we are all hypocrites anyhow" is effective rhetoric. It seems so easily to absolve the sting of consiousness that accompanies the prospect of being a human person.

[Tamzee]

Confirmation of that statement...

"Robert Armory, who had been at the dinner and who later worked in the Kennedy Administration recalled in an oral history at the JFK Library that when a speaker had likened McCarthy to the convicted Soviet spy Alger Hiss, JFK rose to his feet and declared "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor!" and walked out. The incident has never been denied by anyone who was there, and is accepted by JFK biographers Herbert Parmet, Thomas Reeves and Chris Matthews."

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/progjfk2.htm

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Harry Truman dropped atomic bombs on two defenseless cities of a prostrate nation

What the..... oh Buchanan wrote it. Never mind. *sigh*

(I suggest that someday he visit Okanawa and see the rubble it was reduced to and imagine what it would have been like to have had to do that all across Japan. Prostrate nation my foot!)

[Holden Magroin]

Funny how those people who cannot let go of McCarthy are the biggest McCarthyists of them all. The media brands anyone who dissents from liberal orthodoxy as racist, xenophobic, anti-choice, homophobic, and far-right in order to intimidate. Now the media has begun a witch-hunt to ferret out suspected conservatives like Miguel Estrada.

[Stay the course]

Two atomic bombs almost weren't enough. The military members on Japan's ruling council wanted to fight on even after the second bomb was dropped, and the emperor had to be consulted to break the deadlock. Allied commanders estimated up to a million casualties from an invasion, and many millions of Japanese would probably have died. I'm always amazed when people suggest that Truman had any other choice.

[DPB101]

I've always had a sort of crazy theory that McCarthy was a Soviet spy.

Long term McCarthy, or rather how his actions were portrayed in the media, was the best thing to ever happen to communists and their supporters in America. Short term, he tore up the Democrat party by making it clear to Americans that liberals would side with communists against their own country. McCarthy, in large part, was responsible for the defeat of perhaps a dozen Democrat Senators including majority leader Ernst McFarland, majority whip Francis Myers and 4-term Senator Millard Tydings. After that, the Democrats were out to get him just as they got Newt after 1994 and Nixon because of his exposure of Hiss and landslide victory in 1972.

[DPB101]

What the..... oh Buchanan wrote it. Never mind. *sigh*

Yes, sigh, is right. A google news search brings up dozens if not hundreds of editorials and articles parroting the party line on McCarthy. I've found just three which tell the truth about what is in the transcripts. Pat's is one.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Pity that he is blind to the truth in other areas isn't it?

[NormsRevenge]

Yes, sigh, is right. A google news search brings up dozens if not hundreds of editorials and articles parroting the party line on McCarthy. I've found just three which tell the truth about what is in the transcripts. Pat's is one.

Good Ol'Pat. It's just the Nixonian effect kicking in.

Khrushchev was right .. "We will bury you."

Nikita wasn't kidding around. :-\

[det dweller too]

He was right concerning the Soviet spy networks in America, but he was a horrible messenger. So, the message was correct, but the messenger could be derided forever.

No, what it really shows is the power of the organized media that was a prime effort of the communist agents. See "psychopolitics, the soviet art of brainwashing" on a web search, but be careful, many of the posts are are phony disinformation postings made to look like they are from the KKK or ayrian nation or a similar group. I think a site on geocities is pretty straight.

As for Joe M being arrogant and bullying, well at least half of the Dems, and a few pubbies [McInsane for one] are just as unplaesant to their foes. I really don't think it was the messenger, it WAS the message. There was more than one "Jolting Joe" in those days.