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Clinton pushes for unmanned helicopter program
Newsday ^ | May 9, 2003 | DEVLIN BARRETT

Posted on 05/09/2003 7:31:35 PM PDT by John Lenin

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To: John Lenin
guick, get me an Obit on the clintons
21 posted on 05/10/2003 5:13:38 AM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: blam
How about 'Thunder Thighs'?
22 posted on 05/10/2003 5:20:53 AM PDT by hardhead (Hate Speech = Anything leftists do not agree with.)
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To: lilylangtree
Hillary was paid big bucks under the table to push for this one?

Just following in the footsteps of the man she replaced, Pat Moynihan, and his colleague from New York, Senator Pothole D'Amato, who in 1986 brought the Senate to a halt over production of the T-46 trainer.

Nevertheless, you can see the path taking shape:

Scary path. Very scary.
23 posted on 05/10/2003 7:29:35 AM PDT by Dahoser (Her Heinous is ready. We need to be ready to confront her.)
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To: Dahoser; All
NEVER FORGET


In Time of War with an Eneny now Within:


.."IS is SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..


Photo = Outside D.C. HILLARY Mansion Fundraiser
http://community.webshots.com/photo/65188549/66260912yikSxd


Photo = Outside D.C. White House Coorespondents Dinner
http://community.webshots.com/photo/71169738/71170711wsHkSW


.."IS it SAFE?" = The Thread
http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629


NEVER FORGET
25 posted on 05/10/2003 7:45:25 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: John Lenin
"...It's just pork for her re-election in 06...

John Warner has his hands full with this new and fraudulent member of the ASC. She isn't there to help, she is there to hinder with silly ideas like this one, sort of like her "Hillary Care".

26 posted on 05/10/2003 7:58:01 AM PDT by yoe
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To: John Lenin

Fire Scout

Northrop Grumman's Fire Scout - Vertical Takeoff and Landing Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (VTUAV) System - provides unprecedented situation awareness and precision targeting support for the U.S. Marine Corps and U.S. Navy of the future.

The Model 379 Fire Scout has the ability to autonomously takeoff and land on any aviation-capable warship, and at unprepared landing zones in proximity to the forward edge of the battle area.

The Northrop Grumman Fire Scout System includes advanced ground control facilities that encompass the forward deployed Marine Corps Portable Ground Station, Tactical Datalinks, and Communications, as well as the U.S. Navy's Tactical Control Station (TCS) developed for navy ships.

With vehicle endurance greater than six hours, Fire Scout will be capable of continuous operations providing coverage 110 nautical miles from launch site. It contains a baseline payload that includes electro-optical/infrared sensors (EO/IR), and a laser designator enabling Fire Scout to find tactical targets; track and designate targets; and accurately provide targeting data to strike platforms and perform battle damage assessment. Fire Scout will act as a communications node within the proposed network centric warfare battlespace of the future, increasing the effectiveness and flexibility of other platforms.

Northrop Grumman is the prime contractor. The program is managed by the U.S. Navy's PMA-263 Unmanned Vehicles Program Office, Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) at Patuxent River, Maryland.




Type
Vertical takeoff and landing tactical unmanned aerial vehicle (VTUAV)

Power Plant
Rolls-Royce 250-C20W

Top Speed
125+ knots

Range
110 nautical miles from launch site

Maximum Altitude
20,000 feet

Maximum Endurance
6+ hours

Takeoff Gross Weight
2,550 pounds

Payload
Electro-optical/infrared sensors (EO/IR) and a laser designator


27 posted on 05/10/2003 8:05:11 AM PDT by michigander
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To: American in Israel
We should start building it in 2007.
28 posted on 05/10/2003 8:08:56 AM PDT by John Lenin (Government does not solve problems, it subsidizes them)
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To: Saturnalia
I wonder if this woman knows about all the NG soldiers, AF, Marine and Navy Reserves who were called up for every war we've ever had. Granted, the NG was used by lots of people to get out of going to Nam but they were still putting themselves on the line. And not one damn Viet Namese got to Texas until the war was over. And they haven't stopped coming since.
29 posted on 05/10/2003 8:57:49 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: Terry Mross
Whoops! Wrong post. Thought I was on the Tucker thread.

Hillary wants a chopper for New York. Go figure.

30 posted on 05/10/2003 8:59:34 AM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: John Lenin
Also fabricated in Nevada

http://uav.navair.navy.mil/vtuav/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/vtuav.htm

RQ-8A Fire Scout
Vertical Take Off and Landing Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (VTUAV)

The RQ-8A Fire Scout system will provide the US Navy and US Marine Corps reconnaissance, situational awareness and precision targeting support. The system is designed to autonomously take off from and land on any aviation-capable ship or confined land area. It will provide coverage 110 nautical miles from its launch site using a baseline payload that includes electro-optical/infrared sensors and a laser designator.

The RQ-8A Fire Scout unmanned vertical takeoff and landing tactical system that is in low-rate initial production for the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. The VTUAV program is funded through EMD testing in 2004, but there are no funds for production. The Navy is moving ahead to support a UCAV program and is purchasing two additional Predators, which will be controlled from aboard ships. As of February 2002 the N-78 decision to cancel production of the VTUAV was still in force. The program was expected to continue through LRIP-1 and EMD. The first flight as P-3 (Prototype-3, without data link) was planned for China Lake in mid-April 2002, and first flight as E-1 (EMD-1, with data link and payload) was planned for July 2002. In early May 2002, Northrop Grumman successfully completed the first two flights of the third Fire Scout prototype, including a completely autonomous flight. The second flight test of E-2 was planned as a roll-on, roll-off capability aboard the USS Denver in August 2002.

The Vertical Take Off and Landing Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (VTUAV) is a new start in FY00, with IOC by 4QFY03. The VTUAV System will be used afloat by Navy units and ashore by USMC units and will provide local commanders near-real time imagery and data to support Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) requirements. The VTUAV System will replace all Pioneer UAV Systems for all tactical echelons, and add extra systems. The VTUAV will provide the ability to conduct unmanned reconnaissance operations from all ships capable of conducting helicopter operations including amphibious ships as well as cruisers and destroyers. The small footprint of the VTUAV will reduce the impact on flight deck operations compared to the Pioneer, resulting in a major paradigm shift on tactical UAV operations. Coupled with performance improvements over Pioneer, the VTUAV number of systems, availability, and reduced impact on personnel and flight deck operations will vastly expand the opportunities for UAV employment in tactical operations. Appendix C identifies amphibious ships and surface combatants that are planned to host the VTUAV and provides further discussion of installation and operations considerations.

Additionally, the VTUAV will bring a quantum improvement in payload sensor capability for naval surface fires. The VTUAV will be a force multiplier of significant value to ships equipped with Extended Range Guided Munitions (ERGMs), firing 5"/62 guns, the Advanced Gun System of DD-21, and land attack missiles. It will expand its host ship’s capability across many mission areas by providing a platform that dramatically affects ‘sensor-to-shooter’ capabilities along with the ability to conduct real-time battle damage assessment (BDA). Operations from amphibious platforms will provide seamless integration with the types of naval aircraft already in operation on these ship classes.

A VTUAV system will consist of air vehicles, ground control stations (GCSs), modular mission payloads (MMPs), data links, remote data terminals (RDTs), launch and recovery equipment, and tactical communications equipment. The VTUAV Operational Requirements Document (ORD) specifies a system to consist of two GCSs, 4 air vehicles, 4 EO/IR laser designator MMPs, and two RDTs. GCS, tactical communications, and transportation and logistic support equipment will vary in number and configuration depending upon specific shipboard or land-based use.

The VTUAV effort will be awarded using a cost plus incentive fee/award fee contract which consists of an Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) phase with three options for Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) VTUAV Systems. The EMD phase consists of a line item for one (1) VTUAV System and line items for the attendant data, training, operational support, and technical manuals. The first LRIP Option consists of one (1) Marine Corps VTUAV System and support equipment/tools, training, technical manuals, and data. The second LRIP Option consists of one (1) Navy VTUAV System and one (1) VTUAV Sea-Based Ground Control Station, support equipment/tools, technical manual updates, training, and data. The third LRIP Option consists of one (1) NAMTRA VTUAV System, support equipment/tools, physical configuration audit, and data.

The VTUAV System is to be equipped with a "Basic Payload" capability consisting of a day/night passive imagery sensor and laser designator with the capability to identify and designate a standard-sized NATO target of 2.5 square meters from a slant range of 8 kilometers (km) (Threshold)/16 km (Objective). The "Basic Payload" will be required for VTUAV system developmental and operational tests planned for 2QFY01 - 3QFY01 timeframe. Additional mission areas for future growth payloads for the VTUAV system are: Reconnaissance, Mine Countermeasures, Target Designation, Battle Management, Chem/Bio Reconnaissance, Signals Intelligence, Counter Cam/Con/Deception, Electronic Warfare, Combat Search and Rescue, Communication/Data Relay, Information Warfare, Ship Missile Defense and Anti-Submarine Warfare. The payloads to be considered should fall within the VTUAV platform's payload capability of 200 lbs. (T) / 300 lbs. (O), 2 cubic feet internal volume and 2.5 kW of power.

On 09 February 2000 Northrop Grumman Corp., San Diego, Calif., was awarded a $93,721,957 cost-plus-incentive-fee, award-fee contract for the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase of the vertical takeoff and landing tactical unmanned aerial vehicle (VTUAV) program. The EMD phase consists of one VTUAV system, technical manuals, operations security program, operational and maintenance training, and pre-operational support.

In September 2001 Northrop Grumman Corporation took delivery of the first Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) RQ-8A Fire Scout Vertical Takeoff and Landing Unmanned Aerial Vehicle from Schweizer Aircraft Corporation, the airframe producer. Dubbed E-1, this is the first of two EMD air vehicles that will be used for risk-reduction testing for the Fire Scout system. During the next several months, E-1 will be outfitted with operational software and undergo extensive system integration testing in preparation for EMD flights scheduled for the first half of 2002. The second EMD vehicle is expected to be delivered later this fall.

Northrop Grumman's Integrated Systems sector is presently flying a company-owned manned version of the Fire Scout near its San Diego facility to test air vehicle performance and handling characteristics. The first low-rate initial production system will be deployed with the Marine Corps and will include three air vehicles, two ground control stations, a data link suite, remote data terminals and modular mission payloads.

The Fire Scout industry team includes Northrop Grumman's Electronic Systems sector based in Baltimore, Md., which is teamed with TAMAM-Israel Aircraft Industries and is responsible for the sensor payload. In addition to Schweizer Aircraft, Elmira, N.Y., the team also includes Lockheed Martin Federal Systems, Owego, N.Y.; L-3 Communications, Salt Lake City, Utah; and Sierra Nevada Corporation, Sparks, Nev.

The Navy's Fire Scout Vertical Takeoff and Landing Tactical Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (VTUAV) launched into its flight test program on May 19, at the Naval Air Systems Command (NAVAIR) Western Test Range Complex in California.

As part of the first three test sequences, the Fire Scout demonstrated launch abort functionality, command override capability and basic airframe integrity under autonomous operation. Data collection and command and control for the initial flights were performed out of the NGC-R Mobile Control Station.

Build up to first flight began May 18 with a demonstration of the launch abort process. This command was successfully executed as the vehicle began to rise off the runway. Once safely at rest, the normal shutdown command was executed and the air vehicle was ready for the next test.

Before dawn on May 19, the Fire Scout was ready to fly. Following successful engine start and flight power commands, the launch command was initiated. The flight consisted of an autonomous launch, a climb to 30 feet, followed by a transition to forward flight while continuing the climb. As planned, operators conducted an override to the mission mid-flight, commanding the aircraft to stop, hover and land. This event demonstrated a stable in-flight command override capability.

The final test was a demonstration of the fully autonomous guidance, navigation and control system.

This flight consisted again of an autonomous launch, a climb to 30 feet, followed by a transition to forward flight while continuing the climb. The flight route consisted of two waypoints, maintaining speed, altitude and heading. The approach route, utilizing three waypoints, descended the air vehicle from 200 feet and 10 knots to 30 feet and 0 knots. After gaining a valid radar altimeter indication, the Fire Scout descended to touchdown and initiated its shutdown sequence once authorized. The air vehicle contended with 10-knot crosswinds and managed to land within 8 inches of the surveyed recovery point. With a total distance traveled of 4,300 feet, the event successfully demonstrated the fully autonomous capability of the Fire Scout system.

The air vehicle, a derivative of the Schweizer Aircraft model 330 helicopter, is a prototype of the planned Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) system and contains the same Vehicle Management Computer, Kearfott navigator, AN/ARC-210 radios for control links, and other associated avionics.

Future operations are planned for the air vehicle this summer. The EMD test program is planned to begin the first quarter of FY03.


Initial Deployment Plan

Navy
USMC

VC-6 Supports: VMU’s Support:
(10) Battle Groups
Navy systems
aboard DDG-51 class
equipped with TCDL
ship alteration required
future deployments:
CG-47
CG-49
DDG-79
DD-21
Unit Training

Webster Field
Fallon (GCS required)
(6) MEU’s
USMC systems
for MEU, deploy on LHA/LHD class
equipped with CHBDL
ship alteration required
future deployments
LPD-17
Unit Training

Yuma, Cherry Point
CAX, Red Flag
MPF forces

(3) systems stored afloat


Initial System Distribution

Navy
USMC

DT
EMD system
combined DT, FOT&E
OT

2 LRIP systems*
transfer to fleet units after IOT&E
NAMTRA

1st Production system*
later production system*
VC-6 (VU-1, VU-2)

10 Battle Group systems
2 home guard systems*


31 posted on 05/10/2003 9:15:25 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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To: Northern Yankee
Well the Predator+Hellfire combo seems to be a rather nifty trick.
Considering what a bitch choppers are to fly, how much fuel they guzzle per linear mile, how inherently unstable they are, how much flying one is done by "feel" (reaction to minute feedback from the cyclic and collective and pedals, the vibration of the airframe, inner-ear inertial reaction to pitch, sway, yaw that cannot be reproduced via simulator, etc...), how much maintenance is required per flight-hour as compared to a fixed-wing aircraft, how mechanically complex they are, and how expensive (ETC...)
I just don't believe a teleoperated robochopper is a viable idea.
I think this is just pork, and an attempt to pin some "hitek pro military" buttons to her lapel.
32 posted on 05/10/2003 10:01:41 AM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
bump
33 posted on 05/10/2003 10:14:30 AM PDT by demosthenes the elder (If *I* can afford $5/month to support FR: SO CAN YOU)
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To: John Lenin
Hillary just showed another glimpse into the voids of her soul with this one. Funny how she has this idea all written up, including the company she wants the contract to go to, the day AFTER a Black Hawk goes down killing 3 on board. It's like she was skimming the papers hourly PRAYING for a tragedy so she could push another pointless agenda. Helicopters are "transport" of a sort. If they were unmanned, like you said - that's why we have DRONES.
34 posted on 05/10/2003 10:56:24 AM PDT by cgk (Liberal truisms are the useless children of hindsight.)
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To: John Lenin
Clinton said Fire Scout "is a great way to keep our men and women in the military out of harms way (and) acquire critical information."

Well Hillary, I believe the Defense Dept. differs with you.Thank God. Please don't think Americans have forgotten how much you and your Skunk 'for show only' spouse loathe the American Military. Sure, people change, only you're feeble attempt to show you've changed won't wash.You're not changing for the right reasons, such as "Love of America" and "to make America Stronger". We know you wish Socialism to become a stronger entity in America, and you serving on the Armed Services Committee (???) is really beyond the pale.Thank God Don Rumsfeld is in office "ABOVE YOU"!!!

35 posted on 05/10/2003 11:21:04 AM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: DBrow; John Lenin; Bernard
...But wouldn't ya know she'd go for something unmanned?

..unwynmanned?..."The Hog" lets' not offend the makers of the A-10...the broom is good. :)

36 posted on 05/10/2003 11:54:23 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: demosthenes the elder
I think you're right on target on this one. (Right down the pickle barrel...)

Keep 'em flying!

37 posted on 05/10/2003 12:33:50 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: ChadGore
Oh my gosh, that was hillarious!!!
38 posted on 05/10/2003 5:41:38 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: John Lenin
Clinton pushes for unmanned helicopter program?

But how can she get some of her "supporters" in one of them?

Remember the "OSPREY"?

39 posted on 05/10/2003 5:44:43 PM PDT by JOE6PAK (Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder ...)
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To: John Lenin
RC copters are tough to fly, and they don't make stable platforms in any sort of wind.
40 posted on 05/10/2003 5:48:50 PM PDT by Teacher317
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