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To: Alamo-Girl; unspun
We may just have an issue in the definition of terms. I do not see the mechanism of choice as the same thing as willfulness. To the contrary, I see willfulness as the polar opposite of obedience.

There's the source of the difficulty, then, A-G. To me (maybe unspun, too), the exercise of will = to choose, = to act. The willfulness that you oppose to obedience is, to me, the "color" of the act, which depends on its motive that becomes visible (at least to God) in the choice we make.

IOW, willfulness does not necessarily mean stubbornness or resistance -- though in common parlance, the words are often used as if they were synonyms.

It seems to me that to abide in the Lord is an act of the will -- with an important qualification attached: It cannot be done by means of self-will entirely. We cannot take "heaven by storm," but can lovingly respond to an Invitation. Christ is the willing mediator who bears us across ("I am the way, the truth, and the life.")....

212 posted on 05/14/2003 11:40:53 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for your post!

I'm glad to see that what I suspected was true, the difference between your view and mine is a matter of word usage.

The word willful is defined:

1 : obstinately and often perversely self-willed
2 : done deliberately : INTENTIONAL
I always read the word willfully as "obstinately and often perversely self-willed."

With regard to the command to “abide in” Jesus, I also see it as a matter of choice to pour oneself (self-will and all) into Him upon His invitation. To me, it’s involved relinquishing control, sheltering in His love, wallowing in His being. Self has no practical significance therein.

214 posted on 05/14/2003 12:03:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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