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Search for a Talmud in Baghdad
Israel National News (Arutz 7) ^ | May 8, 2003

Posted on 05/08/2003 9:17:56 AM PDT by Alouette

The New York Times reported yesterday that what began on Tuesday "as a hunt for an ancient Jewish text at secret police headquarters [in Baghdad,] wound up unearthing a trove of Iraqi intelligence documents and maps relating to Israel as well as offers of sales of uranium and other nuclear material to Iraq." Among the finds by the U.S. MET Alpha soldiers - the "mobile exploitation team" that has been searching for nuclear, biological and chemical weapons in Iraq for the past three months - were maps featuring terrorist strikes against Israel dating to 1991, another map of Israel highlighting what the Iraqis thought were the hit-points of their Scuds in 1991, a perfect mock-up of the Knesset, detailed mock-ups of downtown Jerusalem and official Israeli buildings, and a satellite picture of Dimona, Israel's nuclear complex.

Excerpts from the Times article: "The discoveries… were the serendipitous byproduct of one of the strangest missions ever conducted by MET Alpha. The search began this morning when 16 soldiers from MET Alpha teamed up with members of the Iraqi National Congress [opposition group] to search for what an intelligence source had described as one of the most ancient copies of the Talmud in existence, dating from the seventh century. The Talmud is a book of oral law, with rabbinical commentaries and interpretations.

"A former senior official of the Mukhabarat, Saddam Hussein's secret police, had told the opposition group a few days earlier that he had hidden the ancient Jewish book in the basement of his headquarters. The building had been badly damaged by coalition bombing, said the man, who is now working for the Iraqi National Congress, but he was still willing to take a group there to recover it. MET Alpha hesitated. Its mission was hunting for proof of unconventional weapons in Iraq, not saving cultural and religious treasures. But Col. Richard R. McPhee, its commander, decided that the historic Talmud was too valuable to leave behind.

"Early this morning, a seven-vehicle convoy… arrived at Mukhabarat headquarters only to find the section of the building in which the precious document was said to be stored under four feet of murky, fetid water. Dead animals floated on the surface. The stairwell down to the muck was littered with shards of glass, pieces of smashed walls and other bombing debris.

"Temporarily daunted by the overpowering stench, MET Alpha's leader, Chief Warrant Officer Richard L. Gonzales, and two other MET Alpha soldiers eventually collected themselves and plunged into the mire in search of the holy text as the team chaplain shook his head in disbelief.

"What they found instead of the precious book was what the former Iraqi intelligence official said was the operations center of the Mukhabarat's Israel-Palestine department. Two Iraqi National Congress members joined the soldiers in the water as they inched their way by flashlight through the 50-foot hallway to the rooms where they happened upon the intelligence documents.

"Slogging down the dank hallway, the soldiers reached a room where they found hundreds of books floating in the foul water. There they rescued three bundles of older Jewish books, including a Babylonian Talmud from Vilna, accounting books of the Jewish community of Baghdad between 1949 and 1953, and dozens of more modern scholarly books mostly in Arabic and Hebrew [including] David Ben-Gurion's "Memoirs"… But no seventh-century Talmud.

"…Mr. Gonzales said his team believed that it might still be at the bottom of the Mukhabarat's flooded basement. That view was reinforced by the recovery of a wooden box with Hebrew writing, which the former Iraqi intelligence officer said might have contained the priceless artifact. "


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: babylonia; intelligence; iraq; iraqijews; israel; metalpha; postwariraq; talmud
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This sounds like an "Indiana Jones" caper. Since the Talmud originated in Babylonia, it would be surprising if one of the most ancient manuscripts should turn up there.
1 posted on 05/08/2003 9:17:57 AM PDT by Alouette
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ping
2 posted on 05/08/2003 9:18:35 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Alouette
What an interesting article. I wonder how that came to be the Muslim nation.

3 posted on 05/08/2003 9:24:55 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Alouette
This sounds like an "Indiana Jones" caper.
..building in which the precious document was said to be stored under four feet of murky, fetid water. Dead animals floated on the surface...overpowering stench.

Sounds more like a job for Ed "As we say in the sewer, here's mud in your eye" Norton.

4 posted on 05/08/2003 9:25:58 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: Alouette
Thanks for posting this great find and your ping!
5 posted on 05/08/2003 9:32:38 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, where leftist liars are exposed 24/7!)
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To: Alouette
I thought the usual Jewish practice was to bury sacred texts the way one would bury the body of a loved one, if the text became too old to use.

Isn't that why the oldest integral text of the Tanakh dates to only 1008 AD?

6 posted on 05/08/2003 9:33:40 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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This is an incredible find:

The New York Times reported yesterday that what began on Tuesday "as a hunt for an ancient Jewish text at secret police headquarters [in Baghdad,] wound up unearthing a trove of Iraqi intelligence documents and maps relating to Israel as well as offers of sales of uranium and other nuclear material to Iraq." Among the finds by the U.S. MET Alpha soldiers - the "mobile exploitation team" that has been searching for nuclear, biological and chemical weapons in Iraq for the past three months - were maps featuring terrorist strikes against Israel dating to 1991, another map of Israel highlighting what the Iraqis thought were the hit-points of their Scuds in 1991, a perfect mock-up of the Knesset, detailed mock-ups of downtown Jerusalem and official Israeli buildings, and a satellite picture of Dimona, Israel's nuclear complex.

7 posted on 05/08/2003 9:35:33 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, where leftist liars are exposed 24/7!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Maybe a link will be shown to exisr from the nazi reich to the Arab National Socialist Party.
8 posted on 05/08/2003 9:39:46 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: RnMomof7
For several centuries, Baghdad had the largest Jewish population of any city in the world.
9 posted on 05/08/2003 9:40:23 AM PDT by blanknoone
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To: wideawake
I thought the usual Jewish practice was to bury sacred texts the way one would bury the body of a loved one, if the text became too old to use.

Old and damaged manuscripts are not necessarily buried in a grave. Many ancient communities maintained a genizah (vault) where such texts were stored.

10 posted on 05/08/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Then maybe a tie in to American Nazis and liberals who hate the Jewish People with every breath they take. Even better a blood money trail from Iraq to these hidden Nazis.
11 posted on 05/08/2003 9:42:51 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, where leftist liars are exposed 24/7!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Looks like the Central Command Center for the Palestian Terrorists.
12 posted on 05/08/2003 9:43:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and his Weapons of Mass Destruction?)
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To: wideawake
Jewish texts are the Word of God. As such, they are considered living creations. The reverence for the Word of God is such that even the spelling of "God" by observant Jews is forbidden whenever the name of God could be "destroyed". I.e., typing on the internet or writing it out, His name would be spelled "G-d".
13 posted on 05/08/2003 9:49:10 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Alouette
bttt
14 posted on 05/08/2003 9:52:39 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: Alouette
Very intresting.........

Iraqi intelligence documents and maps relating to Israel as well as offers of sales of uranium and other nuclear material to Iraq."

15 posted on 05/08/2003 9:55:12 AM PDT by TUX
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To: Thumper1960
Thanks.

But what does one do nowadays, halakhically speaking, with a Torah (not even a scroll, say a printed copy) or a Siddur that is so worn from use it is falling apart?

16 posted on 05/08/2003 9:55:25 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Alouette
'Miraculous" comes to mind. The story gave me the chills. Thanks for the ping!
17 posted on 05/08/2003 9:56:48 AM PDT by onyx
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To: wideawake
Not being Jewish, I don't really know, for sure. Some friends who do know have told me the Rabbi places damaged scrolls and texts in safe keeping for possible repair work. If they're not repairable, I've been told they are "entombed".

I do know about the written literation of the name of God, though.

Anyone here who's Jewish, and in the know, I hope will clear this up for us.

18 posted on 05/08/2003 10:04:40 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Grampa Dave
This is an incredible find:

From the Slime?

Of course this is not "evidence" that Iraq had ties to terrorism, merely detailed maps, and we all like maps. right? (from the mouth of DNC cheese McAuliffe)

19 posted on 05/08/2003 10:48:04 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (FReepers discover the TRUTH, and distribute it.)
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When the Slimes get exposed to taking Iraqi Blood Money from the Saddomites, they will say, "Hey we printed this article!"
20 posted on 05/08/2003 10:49:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, where leftist liars are exposed 24/7!)
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