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Any good advice on books and sites about aspartame and nutrition? (no junk science please)
tame

Posted on 05/07/2003 4:42:57 PM PDT by tame

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To: annyokie
The aisles in your Wal-Mart must be wider than ours.



181 posted on 05/09/2003 4:23:40 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: annyokie
Will do. Actually, I discovered a real intense, great workout by walking the steps at Fresno's Bulldog statium! All the way from bottom to top 5 to ten times and I feel great (but I still get tired:-) I haven't done it for a while, though. I'm also going to use the stationary bike.
182 posted on 05/09/2003 4:26:40 PM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: tubebender
I know I'm sure as he** not gotng to start drinking sugared drinks...

Good to hear...I had the occasion to try a little Coke the other night when I was REALLY thirsty (and NOTHING else was available...). I thought I was going to barf...like drinking syrup.



183 posted on 05/09/2003 4:27:54 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: tubebender
My wife jus got back from Safeway with a six pack of Diet Riet.

I like it. But I don't like the bitter after taste of diet coke. I mean, I'll drink it, but I prefer Sam's club diet cola, and diet rite.

184 posted on 05/09/2003 4:28:31 PM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: who knows what evil?
I had the occasion to try a little Coke the other night when I was REALLY thirsty (and NOTHING else was available...). I thought I was going to barf...like drinking syrup.

I'm the opposite. I like it to be sweet, which is my problem. I would guess you like Carl's Jr.'s drive0thru diet coke because it doens't taste "sweet", whereas I don't like their diet sodas.

185 posted on 05/09/2003 4:31:25 PM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: annyokie; tame
You need to learn when you have had enough.

Great point! Eat until your body is satisfied. If there is still something on your plate, DON"T feel obligated to finish it!



186 posted on 05/09/2003 4:32:08 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: who knows what evil?
LOL!
187 posted on 05/09/2003 4:32:47 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: tame
Don't get me wrong...I USED to drink Coke years ago...went down real nice when mixed with the rum that I still have a "soft spot" for. ("Soft spot" only occurs once or twice a year...) Now that my "taste" for Coke has been broken, it is a real "taste shock" when I have occasion to sip a little...my body isn't used to it anymore.

188 posted on 05/09/2003 4:36:07 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (The Bible Belt is a myth!)
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To: tame
Try Sea Silver.

I've been using it for about 3 months and it has helped me get back to my younger energy levels.

I have not felt this good in a long time.

This stuff works!

189 posted on 05/09/2003 4:43:52 PM PDT by Radioactive
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190 posted on 05/09/2003 6:28:01 PM PDT by restornu (God provides every bird with food, but he does not throw it into its nest.)
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To: tortoise
In autopsies habitual soy intake is associated with reduced brain weights in mature adults.

Being a scientist, and therefore a questioning skeptic, I have to ask 1) is this true, since I have not seen this claim before; and 2) whether the soy consumption causes a reduced brain weight, or is the reduction in brain mass a result of the vegetarian diet that usually accompanies increased consumption of soy?

Personally, I feel that if the idea of eating something nauseates me, then I'm better off avoiding it. Therefore, no soy for me.

191 posted on 05/09/2003 11:19:22 PM PDT by exDemMom (Accept no meat substitutes.)
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To: restornu
I am very impressed with the Quackwatch site, which is why I recommended it. As a scientist, I find it irritating and tragic that so many people cannot tell the difference between real science and junk. The purveyors of junk science rank way below used car dealers, as far as I'm concerned. Some of them just plain make stuff up; others actually do have some kind of scientific background, but choose to use their knowledge to hoodwink people (and take their money).

In general, when some self-styled health guru talks about how "the establishment" tries to "suppress" a cure, or when they claim to have all the answers, what they're really after is your wallet. Real experts have valid, peer-reviewed research to back them up. Also, you should be able to verify any health claim for yourself by doing a database search (Pubmed, Medline). I would not trust a website as a primary source of anything; any claim must be based on verifiable research published in reputable journals. Any university will have an extensive collection of peer-reviewed journals.
192 posted on 05/09/2003 11:37:37 PM PDT by exDemMom (Accept no meat substitutes.)
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To: restornu
Splenda is not really fake it is derives from sugar with the part that spikes the insulin removed!

There is nothing removed; it is a sucrose molecule covalently bonded to a chlorine molecule; since the body cannot metabolize chlorine compounds, it passes through undigested. It cannot induce an increase in the level of insulin since it is not processed in the body.

193 posted on 05/09/2003 11:39:56 PM PDT by exDemMom (Accept no meat substitutes.)
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To: exDemMom
Being a scientist, and therefore a questioning skeptic, I have to ask 1) is this true, since I have not seen this claim before; and 2) whether the soy consumption causes a reduced brain weight, or is the reduction in brain mass a result of the vegetarian diet that usually accompanies increased consumption of soy?

Actually, all the studies that I am aware of had no relation to vegetarianism; they have been done in places where most people are not vegetarians but still eat varying amounts of tofu. There are two competing bioactive components in soy that could legitimately interfere with brain tissue that are being looked at, but genistein is the likely culprit.

People who consume tofu daily for decades show both measurably reduced cognitive ability relative to the general population and reduced brain weight in autopsies. The brain has a slow but steady regenerative capability, something that was assumed not to be the case until recently; destroyed neurons are replaced in many cases. There is evidence that genistein impedes this repair function (using an action similar to how it impedes the growth of some types of tumors), either blocking or reducing the "regrowth" capability of the central nervous system depending on the amount of soy consumed. Over many years of nearly continuous consumption the un-regrown sections of natural microscopic damage accumulate, whereas in most (non-soy eating) people this type of damage is repaired. It does take a couple decades before there is measurable deviation from the general population cognitively, and it is a smooth divergence so it often isn't noticed or attributed to other things.

So it isn't that soy destroys the brain, but more that it interferes with the cellular repair mechanisms of CNS tissue, allowing damage from other sources to accumulate. You can Google papers published in a few different countries on various aspects of this. Most of the vegetarians I know (who are pretty savvy about this stuff) switched over to similar types of grain protein when papers like this started to surface and eliminated soy from their diets. Not worth the risk to these people, particularly in light of other studies showing other systemic problems linked to soy.

194 posted on 05/10/2003 8:56:44 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: tame
I probably use between 100 and 200 packets a day.

What in the world are you using that much aspartame ON? Aspartame is safe in moderation, but 100-200 packets is not moderation, and as I asked above what are you ingesting with it?

195 posted on 05/10/2003 9:01:09 AM PDT by FairWitness
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To: tame
Have you heard of "diet rite" cola? Is this a better alternative to regular diet soda

Hi tame, sorry I'm late in my reply; haven't been online much this week. I see you've gotten some good advice on this thread. Personally, I agree with "all things in moderation."

We can buy Diet-Rite cola in our area and I do drink it at times. I like the flavor of Splenda better than the other artificial sweeteners. I do, however, try to limit my intake of artificial sweeteners. LOL, nothing takes the place of "real" Coke.

I have a friend who had serious health problems (symptoms similar to MS) that seemed to improve quite markedly once she gave up aspartame. For starters, it would probably be wise to start with reducing how much you use of that.

My problem is I know what I "should" do for optimum health, but I don't always do it.

Good luck in your quest for good health!

196 posted on 05/10/2003 12:13:30 PM PDT by NCEaglette
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To: NCEaglette
Thanks. I believe you are correct about the moderation. That's what I'm working on. Good to see you again:-)
197 posted on 05/14/2003 4:49:47 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: FairWitness
I've used a lot of nutrasweet in tea, and as sweetener in cereal and on yams, etc.
198 posted on 05/14/2003 4:50:43 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: Radioactive
Try Sea Silver.

Okay. Any more info on it?

199 posted on 05/14/2003 4:52:14 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: tame
Yeah here is more info...

Go to www.seasilver.com

200 posted on 05/14/2003 6:47:10 PM PDT by Radioactive
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