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Any good advice on books and sites about aspartame and nutrition? (no junk science please)
tame

Posted on 05/07/2003 4:42:57 PM PDT by tame

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To: JonH
The exact disorder name is complicated but it is listed on the package.

Those people are phenylketonuronics; they are born with a metabolic disorder that prevents their bodies from completely metabolizing phenylalanine (a component of Aspartame). Metabolites of phenylalanine build up and cause damage to the nervous system. These people must eat a very restrictive diet; if the disease is not caught and treatment begun early (i.e. in babyhood), mental retardation will result. Very often, by the time the disease is diagnosed, brain damage has already resulted.

121 posted on 05/08/2003 11:20:40 PM PDT by exDemMom (Vote Rodman for Dem nominee. Rodman rules!)
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To: tame
Hi,

In reading through the replies, I noticed that there is a definite mix of valid answers and junk science answers. Unless you've sat through a few years of science classes or are an avid science junkie, you might have a hard time telling the difference. I highly suggest checking out http://www.quackwatch.com/, a website put together by an MD, that will help you sort things out.

As for your questions on salt: an editorial in the journal Science (by Gary Taubin) basically said that it's okay. Quackwatch has articles on aspartame that you might find useful; you do seem to consume a large amount of it, bringing to mind the toxicologist's maxim: the dose makes the poison. I really do not know what levels of aspartame consumption have been tested and found safe. I use it, and so do most of the female scientists I know [most people I know are scientists].

Someone else mentioned Junkscience.com; it is somewhat helpful, but keep in mind that its founder is an attorney, not a scientist. Google searches are of limited value; many websites exist for the purpose of scaring money out of you by hysterically ranting about the dangers of some modern product (tampons, aspartame, etc.).

Despite the length of my post, the best advice I gave here was in the first paragraph: check out http://www.quackwatch.com/.
122 posted on 05/08/2003 11:41:41 PM PDT by exDemMom (Vote Rodman for Dem nominee. Rodman rules!)
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To: exDemMom
Sorry. Apparently they have changed their website. It is now http://www.quackwatch.org/.
123 posted on 05/08/2003 11:43:00 PM PDT by exDemMom (Vote Rodman for Dem nominee. Rodman rules!)
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To: restornu
It could be female trouble I would get a check up!

LOL! I'm a man!

124 posted on 05/08/2003 11:48:04 PM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: exDemMom
Good advice! Thanks! I'll check out the web site.
125 posted on 05/09/2003 12:02:08 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: Mama_Bear
100 to 200 packets of nutrasweet a DAY?! Good grief! How much is that equal to? A cup? What on earth are you putting it on/in? A box of nutrasweet will last me six months or more. LOL. That much can't be good for you.

I may have overstated the amount. I was thinking about it last night. On an exceptionally indulgent day I use that much, but on average, I may use 35 to 50 packs a day (depending on how much tea I drink, and not counting the aspartame in soda).

126 posted on 05/09/2003 12:07:13 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: retrokitten
LOL! Well, I encourage to join in this health thing.
127 posted on 05/09/2003 12:08:38 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: Bob J
Sorry I got back too late for the show. Oh, well. I'll try to catch it next time:-) Tell the Southern Cal freepers I said hi, ok?
128 posted on 05/09/2003 12:10:47 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: goodnesswins
"NOT soy powders or pills.....avoid those."

What's the reason for that? Would that include the shelf version (non-perishable) of soy milk?

129 posted on 05/09/2003 12:12:22 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: Think free or die
If you address your poor diet, get more sunshine and exercise, I would expect your energy level to improve. If it doesn't, there may be other chemical imbalances at work.

I will go to the Doctor and try to rule some things out, and see what might be discovered.

130 posted on 05/09/2003 12:14:19 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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To: restornu
Glad you mentioned somersweet. I am convinced that the Suzanne Somers diet works, and is good for you. One of her books, Eat Cheat and Melt the Pounds Away has the forward by a very well respected doctor in Santa Barbara who highly recommends this way of eating. It works, is good, and good for you!
131 posted on 05/09/2003 12:16:24 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: tame
If possible, get one of Suzanne Somers books on Somersizing. Eat Cheat, and Melt the Pounds Away is good, but the new one has more recipes in it. You can also go to her website at Suzanne Somers.com and read about it there and read all of the results dieters have. It is eating real food which I think is the key to good nutrition. Best of luck.
132 posted on 05/09/2003 12:18:53 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: tame
I still use REAL sugar. Why are people so foolish to substitute chemicals for the REAL thing ? Do you honsetly believe it keeps a single pound off you ?
133 posted on 05/09/2003 12:19:46 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: tame
Splenda tastes A LOT better. Check it out if you can.
134 posted on 05/09/2003 12:22:00 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: supercat
Asparatame made me stall. No stalls with Splenda and it tastes better too.
135 posted on 05/09/2003 12:26:35 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: goodnesswins
Soy is pretty well-documented as having long-term negative health consequences that out-weigh its nominal benefits. As a rule, I generally don't eat soy products on a regular basis. The primary negative effects I'm worried about is the interference it causes with the normal estrogen cycle, which can cause the deterioration of performance of some organs, and the long-term brain damage and dementia associated with it. The brain damage and dementia part has less to do with direct damage per se, than that it interferes with the normal repair mechanisms of the brain such that the damage of all the years starts to accumulate without being repaired, amounting to a significant measurable reduction in cognitive capacity and early dementia in older people. In autopsies habitual soy intake is associated with reduced brain weights in mature adults. I personally need all the brain cells I can get. :-)

Nope, soy is on my "avoid eating when convenient" list, along with a few other things. Both long-term American and Asian studies (notably the Japanese) have shown adverse health affects from a diet of soy that generally outweigh its benefits. The evidence is substantial enough that it is hard to ignore. Fortunately, I was never keen on soy anyway.

136 posted on 05/09/2003 12:32:56 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: John Lenin
Why are people so foolish to substitute chemicals for the REAL thing ?

Ummm... Sugars of all types are chemicals too, and aspartame is a pretty natural chemical as well. I generally don't use it (it isn't good for much and I don't drink soda), but it isn't tragically bad in a chemical sense. It has a very common metabolic pathway that many foods have. Nothing terribly dangerous there despite some of the handwringing.

137 posted on 05/09/2003 12:35:38 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: tortoise
Just the taste alone scares me. The word iodine comes to mind whenever I have tried fake sugars.
138 posted on 05/09/2003 12:38:51 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: tortoise
By the way I one use raw sugar now not the processed stuff.
139 posted on 05/09/2003 12:40:50 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: ladyinred
Thanks. Will do.
140 posted on 05/09/2003 12:43:17 AM PDT by tame (Has anyone heard of "diet rite" cola (no sodium)?)
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