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Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom
Times Argus ^ | David Delcore

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun

BARRE – John Mott and Tom Treece have at least one thing in common. Make that two.

Both men think they have been unfairly accused and, if you believe their critics, both have had a chilling impact on students at Spaulding High School.

Mott is the Barre Town police officer who admits he spent part of an early morning break last month photographing student projects in the classroom of a controversial history teacher.

Treece is that teacher. A passionate pacifist, he has been skewered publicly by critics who say he is pedaling his personal political views to the students in his class. Part of the proof, critics say, is in the photographs Mott took when he visited the high school April 9 while on duty, in uniform, and out of his jurisdiction.

The photographs were taken at around 1:30 a.m. after Mott, who once worked at Spaulding, persuaded a custodian to unlock the door to the classroom Treece shares with another teacher.

Mott isn’t apologizing for his actions and says he has at least temporarily refused orders from Barre Town Police Chief Michael Stevens and Town Manager Carl Rogers to supply school officials with copies of the photographs.

“I’m going to speak to an attorney first,” he said.

Mott disputes an account of the April 9 incident contained in a letter written by school Superintendent Dorothy Anderson to the police chief.

Specifically, Mott disputes Anderson’s claim that he “banged on the front door” of the high school to get the attention of night custodian Arnold Cliche, and that Cliche opened the door and let him in.

“It didn’t happen that way,” he said.

According to Mott, he entered the school through an unlocked maintenance door, found Cliche and asked him to unlock the door to Treece’s classroom room so he could take photographs with his personal camera. Although he was on duty at the time, Mott maintains that he was on a break and wanted to photograph student projects that offended him as an American and a retired military man.

“I wanted everybody else to see what was in that room. You can’t explain it,” he said.

Among the student projects that Mott said he photographed were a poster of the President Bush with duct tape over his mouth and a large papier-mâché combat boot with the American flag stuffed inside stepping on a doll. He said there also were pictures of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and his former chief lieutenant, Ernesto “Che” Guevara, posted on the walls.

“Having spent 30 years in uniform, I was insulted,” he said. “… I’m just taking a stand on what happens in that classroom as a resident and a voter and a taxpayer of this community.”

Mott said he took the photographs less than 48 hours after attending a school board meeting at which several residents complained about what they claimed was an attempt to “indoctrinate” not “educate” students.

School officials have rejected that notion, defending Treece as a “thought-provoking” teacher who provides students in his public issues class with resources from the full spectrum of political perspectives.

“As a teacher he (Treece) does present all sides of an issue,” Anderson said.

Anderson said she was concerned that Mott used his uniform to gain access to a locked classroom after hours without supervision.

“I find this behavior, at the very least, in violation of our policy for visitors at the school,” she wrote in her letter to the police chief. “I also find it disturbing that a police officer would wear his uniform under such circumstances thereby intimidating our employee (Cliche) into letting him in the building at a very unusual hour.”

Anderson said she met with the police chief and the town manager on Friday to discuss her concerns and to reiterate her request for copies of the photographs Mott took and has been circulating in the community. She said Mott had not yet complied with that request, which is based solely on her desire to confirm the photographs were not doctored in any way.

“We’re not embarrassed about what was in that classroom,” she said. “We just want to make sure that the pictures he (Mott) took are an accurate reflection of what the classroom looked like.”

Mott said the photographs he took are authentic and accused school officials of “tap-dancing” around an issue that was brought to their attention last month by using the circumstances under which he entered Treece’s classroom as a diversion.

“It leads me to believe they are out witch-hunting,” he said.

Treece said he knows the feeling. He says Mott and his other detractors don’t have a clue about what he does in his classroom, but that hasn’t stopped them from jumping to conclusions based on his personal political views.

“None of these parents know me in any way,” he said. “They just think they know me. Everything they know about me is hearsay. They don’t have kids in my class. They have taken lies and innuendoes and run with them.”

Treece does not hide his personal views and acknowledges his public criticisms of the war in Iraq and President Bush have irked many in the community. However, he said their contention that he is force-feeding his views to Spaulding students is simply wrong.

“I tell kids from day one: ‘I don’t want you to agree with me, I want you to be informed and think for yourselves,” he said. “I have never squashed dissent in my class in any way shape or form.”

Treece said his message to students is simple: “Defend what you believe and if you can’t defend it I’m going to pick holes in your argument no matter what side of the issue you’re on.”

Treece said he supplies his students with a broad range of resources and encourages them to use them to come to their own conclusions.

“My goal in that class is to get kids to think and be critical of everything they read and hear and see,” he said.

Treece said he’s tired of being painted as anti-American simply because he challenges students not to take what anyone – not the president, their parents, or even he – says at face value.

“I want them to understand that everybody’s got an agenda … everybody,” he said.

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence – “All hail the idiot boy king” – that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush as a reason to reject the high school budget. The budget is scheduled for a re-vote next week.

“They’re out to get the budget and they’ve made me their whipping boy,” he said.

Treece makes no apologies for how he conducts his classes or for his own political views. In retrospect, he said, the comment he posted about Bush was probably too direct.

The board meets at 7 p.m. in the high school library. Like the Malones, both Mott and Treece said they plan to attend.

“I did not recognize how fragile people’s feelings were at the time,” he said. “It was horrible timing on my part.”

If he had it to do over again, Treece said he would spell out the same sentiments in two pages of text that wouldn’t have offended anyone.

Paul and Norma Malone, the local couple who first took issue with the comment Treece posted on the board, insist they’re not out to scuttle the budget, but want to restore balance in the curriculum at Spaulding.

“Our position has been and still is there should be a balance in that curriculum and respect in that school,” said Paul Malone.

Although the couple’s criticism is not limited to Treece, they admit his comment served as a springboard for their effort.

“It’s not an issue of freedom of speech. That was never the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue of balance and it’s an issue of professionalism.”

Based on discussions with faculty, parents and students, Norma Malone said students from a largely conservative community are being urged to view the world to through a liberal lens.

“There’s nothing from the center or from the right,” she said, rejecting Treece’s comments to the contrary.

The Malones, who have formed the group “Citizens Advocating Responsible Education,” say they plan to attend tonight’s school board meeting and present a copy of a petition signed by several hundred supporters. The petition states in part: “Students must be provided a thorough, factual, unbiased study of the history of our nation, the importance of our government institutions, and the significance of our political traditions so as to engender civic duty and respect for our national values.”

In order to accomplish that goal, the petition suggests revisions to the school’s policy regarding academic freedom and the appointment of community members to the school board’s curriculum committee.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Vermont
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To: RonF
pounding on a door and demanding entry.

According to the school -- and that's bad enough.

It's even worse, though: Mott claims that he simply walked in to a building he was supposed to enter.

341 posted on 05/06/2003 12:29:16 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: MineralMan
Liberal atheist brainwashing (( Truth // history // conservatism )) -- indoctrination (( lies // evolution // ideology )) doesn't bother you ...

you like -- want it ..."total" -- "only" * * ... forced !

... * * ... fr patrick henry // cult !
342 posted on 05/06/2003 12:31:50 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: Ron in Acreage
And did your neighbor inform the principal, the school board, and the other parents of the unprofessional attitude of the teacher?
343 posted on 05/06/2003 12:32:53 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: RonF
Don't be silly. We have only heard of anti-US, anti-Bush, pro-Fidel and Che posters on the wall, nothing else.

To guess out of the clear blue at anyhing else only makes you sound foolish.

344 posted on 05/06/2003 12:33:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: MineralMan; RonF
Yup. We have no idea about this, actually. We read about a couple of these student projects only. Presumably others were posted as well. What do you want to bet that Mott took pictures of only the ones that personally offended him?

Excellent point. Perhaps you recall the "kid with the lemon drop" incident a few years ago -- happened in my kids' school. The real facts of the case were much, much different from what made it into the national media.

345 posted on 05/06/2003 12:34:04 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: grapeape
Like your point about "investigation" there was and is no investigation. Why do people keep insisting that there is.

Actually, that's my point. The cop's job is to enforce the law (which investigations are a part of). He was not doing this. Therefore, he had no business doing what he did while on duty.

Your assuming that this is an abuse of police power. What power did he use to do what?

When you show up in a building in uniform wearing a gun and a badge and demand access to a locked area, the use of police authority is implied. Now, what the janitor's involvement was (there are at least two different stories on that) and what he thought are debatable. We don't have the full story on that. But it seems implicit to me that this guy projected that he was on official business by showing up in the way he did. It would take an investigation to get a factual determination.

346 posted on 05/06/2003 12:34:35 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
He didn't demand entry. He ASKED and it was GRANTED.
347 posted on 05/06/2003 12:35:40 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: f.Christian
"Liberal atheist brainwashing (( Truth // history // conservatism )) -- indoctrination (( lies // evolution // ideology )) doesn't bother you ...

you like -- want it ..."total" -- "only" * * ... forced !

... * * ... fr patrick henry // cult !"

Would you like to take another try at that? Perhaps in English this time?
348 posted on 05/06/2003 12:36:44 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: ValerieUSA
His sworn duty is to serve and protect the public.

Not outside his juristiction.

He did not let the public down.

In my opinion, he did; he abused his powers for personal opinion.The school did.

Now, this may also be true. I'd like to know if there were 20 displays supporting the USA, as well as 3 opposing it, in this classroom before I make that judgement.

349 posted on 05/06/2003 12:38:11 PM PDT by RonF
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To: MineralMan
ph ...

So why should biologists worry about creationists? It's precisesly for the reason you say -- to prevent irrationality and bogus "science" from being rammed into (and thus ruining) the still-forming minds of innocent children.

271 posted on 05/01/2003 8:03 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)



Do ... you ... need ... an ... explanation ?
350 posted on 05/06/2003 12:38:53 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: f.Christian
"So why should biologists worry about creationists? "

Uh, I haven't seen anything about biology or creationism in this thread. Maybe you've gotten lost somehow. Sorry, I'm discussing the topic in this thread. We can talk about those other topics somewhere else.
351 posted on 05/06/2003 12:41:19 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: MineralMan
10-4 on your analysis of how to deal with the schools. In my school district, people were upset with the level of academic instruction. Nothing political; they thought, based on what was happening when their kids moved from middle school to high school, that langauge arts instruction in our middle school needed to be changed. This went on for a couple of years. No change. This election cycle, 3 political neophytes opposed 3 long-time board members. ZOT! Three new board members, by a 2-1 margin, and some teachers who are now on notice.
352 posted on 05/06/2003 12:41:22 PM PDT by RonF
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To: MineralMan
"I do believe that the entire reason the the Pilgrims came here, was to escape religious persecution. The Founding Fathers granted the entire monopoly of religion to liberal aclu bolsheviks."

open season on pilgrims now !

353 posted on 05/06/2003 12:43:37 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: f.Christian
"I do believe that the entire reason the the Pilgrims came here, was to escape religious persecution. The Founding Fathers granted the entire concept of freedom of religion to ALL religions."

I realize that the above is not your original posting. However, I thought I'd address it though you anyway. The first sentence here didn't lead directly to the second. In fact, the Pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution, but their end objective was to set up their own faith as the established church. They then merrily proceeded to be intolerant of any other faiths, up to and including fining, imprisoning, tarring, feathering, lashing, exiling, and executing those who opposed their established church. Only a couple of the original 13 colonies were founded with religious freedom in mind, and it took quite some time to get everyone else on board.

354 posted on 05/06/2003 12:46:15 PM PDT by RonF
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To: anniegetyourgun
Heard Rush this morning, rare listening. He spent a lot of time on this non-issue. Both the cop and the teacher are creeps.
355 posted on 05/06/2003 12:46:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: grapeape
Re: 310:

We seem to have cross postings, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Sorry.
356 posted on 05/06/2003 12:47:22 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
"10-4 on your analysis of how to deal with the schools. In my school district, people were upset with the level of academic instruction. Nothing political; they thought, based on what was happening when their kids moved from middle school to high school, that langauge arts instruction in our middle school needed to be changed. This went on for a couple of years. No change. This election cycle, 3 political neophytes opposed 3 long-time board members. ZOT! Three new board members, by a 2-1 margin, and some teachers who are now on notice."

Yup. It works very well, our system of elected officials. If the public perceives that changes need to be made, they can be made.

The School Board, in my opinion, is our most amazing political entity. Anyone, and I mean anyone, can run for the school board, and stand a decent change of being elected. At least, that is, in smaller districts. Where I am, it would be possible for a candidate to personally knock on every door in the district between the time of filing for candidacy and the election.

I've known one man who actually did that. He was elected, of course, and served on the school board for 12 years, doing a terrific job. He moved from that job to the County Board of Supervisors, and is considering a run for State Assembly. He may just win, too.

He is an inspiration to all of us. Any of us can justifiably hope to get elected to such a local position. All it takes is a good idea and a lot of hard work.

This is why I have virtually no patience for those who complain without taking action. Our system works. It is just a matter of putting one's ideas into action and convincing people with a good argument that one is correct. That works on the local level every time, and all politics are essentially local.

Of course, you do have to have supportable ideas and the gonads to work for your goals. It ain't easy to walk precincts and listen to folks. You'll hear a heckuva lot of things you don't agree with when you do. But...given the ideas and the energy, most anyone can get elected to a school board. I've seen it happen a lot of times, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad.
357 posted on 05/06/2003 12:48:52 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: grapeape
I guess I should rephrase. I really don't wonder. I know exactly the mindset at work that breeds this kind of ignorance and contempt for individual liberties and the ever expanding realm of 'police powers'.

I responded specifically with the points in contest that are at issue here. You respond in vague generalities in defense of the all powerful state.

358 posted on 05/06/2003 12:49:04 PM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/)
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To: RonF
The flat liners (( liberals )) have the cartoon version ...

here's mine !

To: whattajoke

waj ...

It is my strong contention that science, and all its tenets, is an important part of conservatism. We consider ourselves more knowledgable and educated (well, we are) and this is all part of that. The minority of YEC's in our world do us an injustice, and make for easy ridicule from the left.


ph ...


Well stated. That is also my position.


112 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)


fC ...


Overlordism ...

I'm only surprised that you publicly admit it (( you 're not joshing // tricking me ? ? )) !

"We consider ourselves more knowledgable and educated (well, we are)" ---


fC ...


Is that only what your worried about ... what leftist think ---

"The minority of YEC's in our world do us an injustice, and make for easy ridicule from the left."

What's the difference between your village and hillary clinton's ?





wj ...

As has been stated here a million times, scientific debate is not meant for public spectacle. Truth be told, it's a tedious, boring exercise detailing minute facts, written out over tens of thousands of pages in hundreds of texts, journals, online resources, museum placards, etc.


fC ...

classic ... elitisim !


To: f.Christian

fC...

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change.

LC...

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule (( constitutional // law ))** for the assurance technocracy and expert rule (( dictatorship // tyranny ))**.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic

** .. .. .. my additions !

Boshevik monopoly (( experts )) ... social // mind engineers ---

Brainwashing (( God // Truth )) -- Indoctrination (( lies // evolution // atheism )) !

Main Entry: tech·no·crat
Pronunciation: 'tek-n&-"krat
Function: noun
Date: 1932
1 : an adherent of technocracy
2 : a technical expert; especially : one exercising managerial authority

Main Entry: tech·noc·ra·cy
Pronunciation: tek-'nä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Date: circa 1919
: government by technicians; specifically : management of society by technical experts





359 posted on 05/06/2003 12:51:24 PM PDT by f.Christian (( With Rights ... comes Responsibilities --- irresponsibility --- whacks // criminals - psychos ! ))
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To: ValerieUSA
If your husband was a county officer, I'm guessing that he wouldn't have thought to go into a building outside his county for any reason unless he thought a crime was being committed.
360 posted on 05/06/2003 12:51:43 PM PDT by RonF
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