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To: SJackson
>>Why do so many Canadians come to the United States for medical treatment and so few Americans go to Canada?


I'd be interested in what statistics you have to backup that statement...sounds good, but is it true(and I am not saying its not, just never seen any proof)? If you count the number of people in the US that buy prescriptions in canada, I bet more americans use the canadian system than the other way around...except perhaps for the wealthy canadians...how many canadians really can afford expensive medical care and the travel costs to come here and pay out of pocket?

4 posted on 05/06/2003 5:15:13 AM PDT by freeper12 (Republican president, republican senate, republican house...where are the spending cuts??)
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To: freeper12
The canadian system is a disaster. I lived here before medicare so can compare the new to the old. I have also lived and worked in the US. There is little comparison. Up here once you get a doctor you cannot change. If you find you do not like him/her, too bad!
Doctors used to be graduates of canadian and US medical schools. Today the majority of doctors come from third world nations.
Come on up and try it. The drugs are cheap because we make generics and rip off your patents. It's cheaper that way but there are few new drugs developed here.
5 posted on 05/06/2003 5:32:20 AM PDT by BillM
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To: freeper12
Drugs are not the same class as medical care. CANADUH by law, PROSCRIBES the amount that drug companies profit from their goods. So what Happens ? The US Consumer pays overinflated prices here.....(Hence the rush over the border for those that can.)

Medical Services OTOH, are not manufactured goods to be exported. They Are SERVICES provided on a local (relatively) basis.

Can you see the Apples in the Basket of Oranges now?

6 posted on 05/06/2003 6:15:38 AM PDT by hobbes1 (ike him even more since he's come Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: freeper12
P.S. The U.S. Government should close our market to any Drug Company that gouges Americans, by doing business in Canada.


7 posted on 05/06/2003 6:19:17 AM PDT by hobbes1 (ike him even more since he's come Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: freeper12
My sister-in-law sat next to an ex-practicing nurse from Canada on a plane. She was down-sized when the Canadian flubberment took over health care. Guess what her job is now?

She lives in Florida and for three months a year she goes to different hospitals around the U.S. verifying claims by Canadian citizens who come here on "vacation", are then stricken with some affliction and use our system for treatment. A claim is them filed with the Canadian flubberment and they reimburse the health care facility here.

She told my s-i-l that people up there use someone else's name to go to a doctor and get diagnosed. Since the wait is so long for non-emergent procedures they take this info with them on vacation. When they get here they get taken care of.

Want to here the best part. The ex-Canadian nurse still gets her full salary from before the down sizing.

Great system, eh?

8 posted on 05/06/2003 6:36:02 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: freeper12
Each province has its own health care system so when you reference details of Canadian socialized medicine, make sure you reference the province. The one big misconception about Canadian health care is prescription drugs. They are not covered by the system in Ontario. Unless you have third party insurance, you pay full retail on the price of drugs. The reason prescriptions are cheaper is that the government sets price caps. They don't allow patent rip offs and have a similar patent lifespan as drugs do in the U.S. Canada and Britain are unique in the industrialized world in that doctors work foir the state. It is against the law to operate outside (i.e. as a private physician) the system. No doctor can go into business for himself independent of the health care system.

I can offer you anecdotal proff since I am Canadian and lived in the Windsor area. People were dying on waiting lists for heart surgery (waiting times being 18 to 24 months) back in the early '90's. So people that needed surgery went to Detroit and had it paid for by the provincial health care system. Since so many people were electing this option, the provincial government, under Bob Rae and the NDP (extreme socialist party, far left of the Liberals) changed the system so that coverage would be for the max allowed under OHIP. THat maxiumum was about 25-30% of what the cost was outside Canada. So now only people with money could go to the U.S. and the average Canadian got stuck in the long waiting lists. There is a two-tier system in Canada: the government run system and the U.S. system for the wealthy.

9 posted on 05/06/2003 6:48:10 AM PDT by doc30
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To: freeper12
If you count the number of people in the US that buy prescriptions in canada, I bet more americans use the canadian system than the other way around . . .

This isn't a valid comparison, so you can't include the people from the U.S. who buy prescriptions in Canada. These people are going to Canada to buy something that is identical to what they would buy in the U.S., but at a price that has been artificially reduced in Canada through government regulation.

When it comes to things that are truly different in health care, Canada doesn't come close to the U.S. If you go through any medical specialty that you can thing of (neurology, cardiology, orthopedics, etc.) and rank all of the hospitals in the world for each of them, I'll bet 95 of the top 100 hospitals for these specialties are in the U.S.

14 posted on 05/06/2003 10:31:50 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: freeper12
I'd be interested in what statistics you have to backup that statement

Not prõf, but an indicatio, nevertheless. My town has historically bên a beach resort with a tremendous summer tourist season and economic depression for the rest of the year. When Canada cut off the last of private health care we suðenly got a winter season consisting mostly of Canadians coming to the coast. The ones I talked to and that my friends dealt with came here to get their major health needs taken care of along with a nice warm weather vacation. These visitors were notable for aðing nothing to the local economy outside of rõm and fõd and the local hospital entered a period of prosperity it had not before known. After a few years Canada disallowed insurance payments to foreign entities and the Canadian tourists declined radically in number but did not stop.

The visitation has been increasing steadily since and at least one couple says their visit is because they simply could not get things taken care of in Canada without waits that would preclude successful treatment of the problem. Getting that bypass now costs more than ever because they have to paythe government "insurance" and still have to travel and pay the uninsured rates for the treatment. Some have purchased American insurance using their winter aðresses and are paying two large insurance rates.

18 posted on 05/06/2003 11:17:24 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: freeper12
It is a reported fact that more Canadian doctors come to the United States to practice than U.S. docs go to Canada.

Canadian doctors can only earn a certain prescribed sum each year. When they reach that total, they move to their U.S. practice -- which they share with another Canadian doctor who mans it the rest of the year.

As a consequence, Montana has a relatively high population of doctors.

31 posted on 05/06/2003 8:05:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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