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To: Cathryn Crawford
Liberals may defend their guy no matter what, but conservatives swing to the other end of the cycle and automatically abandon their guy.

Cathryn, the cases of Bill Bennett and Trent Lott are not truly similar.

Trent Lott had pretty much burned his credibility with true conservatives through years of unnecessary compromise with the opposition. When the wolves of Political Correctness started circling over his remarks at the birthday party, his supply of "good will" from those who once would have backed him was severely depleted. Years of frustration engendered by Lott's kowtowing to the Clinton administration, his sabotage of the impeachment process, the bargaining away of conservative issues and passage of liberal programs, and finally, the unnecessary "power sharing" of the Senate with the opposition and his inability to keep control of Jeffords left him bereft of support when he badly needed it. Lott was not at risk of losing his seat... and the leadship of the Senate Republicans would remain in the hands of a Republican; leaving him twisting in the wind, even when he did not deserve it for the remarks, was understandable given the rest of his actions/inactions.

Bill Bennett has unfortunately played into the hands (hmmmm, interesting way to put it) of those who promote moral relativism. His gambling (whether a problem for him or not) has damaged his, and by association the Republican party's, credibility. Officials in the party and Republican politicians had given him their imprimatur of moral superiority and rectitude by the positions they had given him and by their citation of his works and words; their judgement, rightly or wrongly, is now called into question and WILL be criticized by those pushing relativism. The correctness and value of those ideas and philosophies he espoused in his books are now "damaged goods," open to ad hominem attacks on the messenger. The level of discourse about those ideas has been and will be lowered.

Already we see those on this forum positioning various vices as either equivalent or not-equivalent to gambling. This is just a microcosm of the firestorm of criticism we will see from the Left, as they gleefully jockey to position their favorite vices, criticized by Bennett in his speeches and books, as equivalent or "not as bad" as gambling.

Bill provided a rational, well presented indictment of the dangers of moral relativism and unlimited license and did so from a position that appeared to his readers as the moral "high ground." The criticism he is not receiving from the conservatives most likely has its roots in disappointment in his lost appearance of rectitude and a feeling of betrayal of their expectation that he truly deserved to stand on that "high ground."

156 posted on 05/04/2003 10:46:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Tagline Extermination Services, franchises available, small investment, big profit)
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To: Swordmaker
*applause*
160 posted on 05/04/2003 10:57:24 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Swordmaker; All
I agree with you about the Lott and Bennett issues not comparing externally. Internally, however, there is a distubing trend not limited to just these two individual cases.
As conservatives, we are ideologically committed to a certian way of living. Now, we could get into the various branches of conservatism, and it would take all night long, but it basically, I think, boils down to our own morality, our sense of absolutes. Conservatives are people who believe in absolutes. Now, as conservatives, we (mostly) try to live moral lives. A lot of people will tell you that morality is relative, but again that boils down to absolutes. We believe there are some things it's absolutely wrong to do.
Now, we face a hard opponent - liberals. Liberals believe that there are no absolutes...in other words, you can never be sure of anything. Truth is what you make it, etc. You know what I mean. Anyway, when one of "ours" screws up or even gives the appearance of maybe sometime in the future screwing up, we turn our backs on them. Why?
Because our sense of absolutes has been offended, and because we know that the liberals will simply use our system of absolutes to point out that we are hypocrites if we allow a "conservative" to get by with anything.
What I am advocating is not lowering our standards, but being sure that we allow our humanity to have a say in our absolute system. We need to be sure of the facts before we condemn, and we need to be sure that we aren't being hypocritical in our condemnation of others.

Now if this is a load of crap, please forgive me, okay? Being only nineteen I know I don't have the miles you guys have but this has been my observation.
161 posted on 05/04/2003 10:57:42 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Winning isn't everything, but losing is nothing.)
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