STARS ESCAPE FROM ASTRONOMICAL ZOO

Thoth-l Volume VII-3 ^ | 4/2/2003 | Don Scott

[ChemistCat]

ping for post-exam reading

[longshadow]

see:

Some Points Rebutting Electric Stars

for rebuttal of Electic star wackiness.

[Aric2000]

Where's radio astronomer, I want his opinion on this.

[longshadow]

Where's radio astronomer, I want his opinion on this.

He's probably in his "Control Room"..... perhaps dressed in leather.... whips and chains maybe?

[Buggman]

I'm not disagreeing with you on this one, but what is your explaination for the multiple anomalies cited in the article as proof that solar evolution is taking place faster than it should under our current nuclear models? I'm just curious if a non-ad hoc explaination has been found and tested, or if this is still a complete mystery.

[Darksheare]

Did anyone else catch that the linked website claims that the impact crater chains seen on Mars and the moon are due not to impact chains but to arc machining?

That's tripe, because impact chains were seen in realtime by us here on Earth recently.
It was called Shoemaker-Levy 9 hitting Jupe.

[Aric2000]

LOL, that ought to get his attention.

[longshadow]

Did anyone else catch that the linked website claims that the impact crater chains seen on Mars and the moon are due not to impact chains but to arc machining?

That's nothing; "Medved" used to post stuff about how the Grand Canyon was the result of one of these cosmic lightning bolts..... so when we asked him "where are the fulgurites?" he'd reply by saying: "they were blasted out into space by the impact of the lightning bolt, you dolts!"

Crank science, on parade....

[Darksheare]

Yeah, I saw the "Grand Canyon as Lightning sculpture" part too.
Ugh...

Even if there were uber-sparks that could do that, there'd still be fulgurites left behind. There's absolutely no way that ALL of it would be gone without a trace.
Besides, the canyon was formed by natural processes like erosion..
How did he explain erosion away?

[longshadow]

but what is your explaination for the multiple anomalies cited in the article as proof that solar evolution is taking place faster than it should under our current nuclear models? I'm just curious if a non-ad hoc explaination has been found and tested, or if this is still a complete mystery.

Re: variable stars, consider that the reported findings may simply be normal for certain types of variable stars as opposed to stellar evolution of normal (main sequence) stars:

"The fact that each type of variable is found in a rather compact region of the HR [Hertzsprung-Russell] diagram seems very significant. This suggests that light variation is not an accident that can happen to any star, but that a specific combination of physical conditions must be required to make a star vary."

- "The Stars: Their Evolution and Structure" - R.J. Tayler; Wykeham Publications (London) Ltd, 1974

IOW, we have a theoretical model for the evolution of most (non-variable) stars that seems to work extraordinarily well, while there are still some types of stars (certain types of variables) for which we may not have models that are fully mature.

The fact that we don't have fully mature models for every conveiveable star in the universe simply isn't sufficient grounds to toss out the science that says stars are fueled by fusion.

[longshadow]

How did he explain erosion away?

I don't recall the details, but rest assured it involved some major handwaving. Part of it comes from denying the Earth is geologically old, and then claiming there is insufficient time for erosion to have produced the Grand Canyon.......

[longshadow]

conveiveable conceiveable

[Darksheare]

Hmm.. the "Ala- Kapoof!" method.
Wowsers.

I'm still trying not to laugh at the explanation for the crater chains and the Canyon as lightning sculpture.

Have a man made glass electric slag from a nearby electric pole hitting the ground and literally boiling the dirt.
Oddly enough, it flouresces.
(Fulgurites aren't known to flouresce that I am aware of.)
Man.. that is one twisted extrapolation of the theory.
To go as far as to say that arc machining makes craters and such.
Oh, and the "Nothing goes on inside the sun." bit as well..

[Aracelis]

Nah...I gave him the day off. ;^)

[Aracelis]

He has been very busy with some special projects at work...what can I say? He's a man-in-demand. :^)

[Doctor Stochastic]

He also claimed that the Grand Canyon was the deepest canyon on Earth and that there were no rivers longer that 5000km. A quick search refutes these claims too.

[Darksheare]

*bangs head on monitor.*
Not sure what to say about that..
It's gonna get me babbling aphasia soon enough.

Makes me wonder how they'd explain the byproducts of fusion away, i.e. heavier elements being churned out by stars?
If it's a purely electric action, there would be no sodium appearing, nor boron or beryllium.
(The ridiculous assertion that nothing goes on inside the sun comment. Doesn't take into account that progressively heavier elements are created in the star's interior. - this is for others reading along.)

[longshadow]

He also claimed that the Grand Canyon was the deepest canyon on Earth and that there were no rivers longer that 5000km.

... while claiming that Saturn used to "hover" over the North pole of Earth, "reducing the 'felt' effect of gravity," and that pets have psychic abilities.

He wasn't nick-named "The Clown Prince of Astrophysics" for nothing.....

[AndrewC]

Marker

[AndrewC]

Why would the neutrino spectra be elongated in the horizontal?