[Not Insane]

"The problem is that because they claim that the universe is designed, there's nothing 'not designed' to which they can point as a frame of reference. "

Trying to explain the concept of "light and dark" to creatures without eyes does not mean light and dark do not exist.

Try to explain "wet" to a creature that lives in water. It cannot comprehend, yet it is always "wet."

[Dimensio]

Trying to explain the concept of "light and dark" to creatures without yes does not mean light and dark do not exist.

True, but to have the concept requires that someone has a frame of reference. Are you saying that ID proponents have a frame of refernece, perhaps through some extra sensory perception, to have discerned between 'designed universe' and 'not designed universe' and that any lack of comprehension is simply the result of physiological limitations amongst a certain percentage of the population?