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To: Axolotl
Evolution is baloney, and I am a programmer who knows it.

I can dump psuedo random (no such thing as real random) bytes into a file all day long but I'll never in billions of billions of years, be able to execute it. In fact, I've never even been tempted to try such a stupid concept. There's no such thing as "random". There's no such thing as "chance". And there's no such things as "luck". These things only describe our uncertainty. Everything happens in the confluence and effluence of cause and effect set in motion and sustained by the hands of Almighty God who is not defined by matter, time, cause or effect which are elements of His creation.

414 posted on 05/03/2003 10:51:40 PM PDT by Theophilus (Muslim clerics, preaching jihad, are Weapons Of Mass Destruction!)
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To: Theophilus
Evolution is baloney, and I am a programmer who knows it.

Heh. There is some irony here in that the hard drive in your computer was very likely "designed" by sifting random data with evolutionary algorithms. While some types of engineering are not efficiently done this way, other types have become sufficiently complex that it is more cost effective to let a supercomputer sift garbage with evolutionary algorithms in the hopes that it will "discover" a better design than to let engineers actually design it. Evolution may be "baloney", but it still randomly "designs" better components than humans can, and more technology is being designed like this every day.

I don't want to be critical, but as a programmer you should know that "evolution" is in fact a common and valid mathematical model of system dynamics that is actually used quite a bit in some applications of computer science, particularly in engineering applications.

440 posted on 05/04/2003 12:23:05 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: Theophilus
Evolution is baloney, and I am a programmer who knows it.

Well, we'll all just have to take your word for it then.

I can dump psuedo random (no such thing as real random) bytes into a file all day long but I'll never in billions of billions of years, be able to execute it.

If you were a real programmer, you'd know that a decent number of small-byte-count byte sequences would actually run just fine, albeit trivially, and thus you could easily randomly produce an executable program in less than a second of randomization.

Furthermore, look up "Genetic Algorithms" one of these days, Mr. Computer Programmer. They use that "baloney" evolution, and lo and behold, they work really well.

In fact, I've never even been tempted to try such a stupid concept.

Well, that's certainly one way to avoid learning.

There's no such thing as "random". There's no such thing as "chance". And there's no such things as "luck". These things only describe our uncertainty.

Einstein used to think so too, but even he admitted he was mistaken. Try learning about quantum physics before you narrow-mindedly put artificial constraints on the universe.

Everything happens in the confluence and effluence of cause and effect set in motion and sustained by the hands of Almighty God who is not defined by matter, time, cause or effect which are elements of His creation.

And you can prove this how?

482 posted on 05/04/2003 2:19:52 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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