[Axolotl]

nice rant...

Evolution is a science, and I am a scientist who studies it.

Many of the masses pick up on it, like they picked up on gravity, because it is undeniably true. There is as much evidence for evolution having occurred as there is that the earth goes around the sun.

You only brought up one substantive point...about randomness. Mutation may be random, but evolution is not. Many sciences deal with events that are influenced by random events (e.g. statistics and probability, quantum mechanics). Does the fact that mutations are random also make genetics a pseudo-science? Who's the moron here?

[Dimensio]

You apparently have had little exposure to f.Christian. No one here has really figured out f.Christian except that it's quite clear that he (or she) is very, very mad. The only 'coherent' statements that you will ever see in postings from f.Christian will be from him (or her) quoting from another (usually another FReeper, but sometimes from another website). Otherwise f.Christian's posts consist of nothing but hard to decipher babble where he (or she) apparently equivocates evolution, atheism, paganism and satanism (and possibly several other subjects). Rational discussion is a foreign concept to this individual. Nothing that you say can persuade f.Christian to understand your viewpoint, because f.Christian seems incapable of really understanding anything other than 'evolution evil, creationism good'. Best to point out the obvious holes in the arguments people who manage to post correctly structured sentences, because at least they don't have the excuse of being completely insane.

[f.Christian]

Only a madman -- psycho can believe that science (( logic -- law -- reality )) and evolution (( flux // chance // chaos )) are the same thing .

The 2nd law of thermodynamics --- entropy proves it ... w/o divine intervention --- "dust to dust" !

Evolution is just an atheist ploy to overinflate their ego-- wallets ---
live off the public !

[AndrewC]

There is as much evidence for evolution having occurred as there is that the earth goes around the sun.

Equating historical inference with "real-time" data is not an acceptable premise.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Then if evolution is not random, the arguments are very much in favor of ID.

[Last Visible Dog]

There is as much evidence for evolution having occurred as there is that the earth goes around the sun.

I would love to see the supporting evidence for that bold unsupported claim.

[Dataman]

Evolution is a science, and I am a scientist who studies it.

I'll bet you're a cold, calculating, dispassionate, strictly scientific scientist.

Who's the moron here?

Oops! I lost that bet!

[Theophilus]

Evolution is baloney, and I am a programmer who knows it.

I can dump psuedo random (no such thing as real random) bytes into a file all day long but I'll never in billions of billions of years, be able to execute it. In fact, I've never even been tempted to try such a stupid concept. There's no such thing as "random". There's no such thing as "chance". And there's no such things as "luck". These things only describe our uncertainty. Everything happens in the confluence and effluence of cause and effect set in motion and sustained by the hands of Almighty God who is not defined by matter, time, cause or effect which are elements of His creation.