Russia offers mothers a free home if they promise to bear three babies

Telegraph ^

[finnman69]

Lets work out a deal with the Russians to sell our least work-productive but most reproductive welfare recipients to the Russians.

[blackdog]

If you refer to the sales job of the US Income Tax, the exemption schedule was linked to incomes after what it cost to feed, clothe, and house yourself and family. If adjusted to inflation from that original act, no family of four would even start paying an income tax on their wages until those wages exceeded $48,000.

That is from a floor speech of Patsy Schroeder in the late 80's.

[RussianConservative]

You might note from document, must be drug free, not alcoholic, young and have a job...in otherwords, model citizen who just needs leg up...and Russia has plenty of takers already, not need more.

[blackdog]

Only an arrogant american politician could defer this actuarial dilema by discounting the domestic population and assuming they can just let immigration solve the problem!

People are not just copper-top batteries like the Matrix would have us think. Some of us cash dispensing batteries have fitted ourselves with an off switch.

[WaterDragon]

Tbe Left has been attacking the basic unit of any society -- the family -- for decades. Parents have been told since the 60s they're the dumbest critters on God's earth. Children have been taught since the 60s to sneer at their parents. Women have been told since the 60s to loathe and attack their own bodies. Since the 60s, men and women have been set against each other like suspicious, snarling dogs.

What keeps the U.S. from being in the same decline as Europe is our tradition of welcoming immigration and assimilating those immigrants. Since the 80s, the Left has been attacking assimilation.

By encouraging illegal immigration and discouraging assimilation, the Left has successfully caused many Americans to turn against immigrants.

The Left is a mass of very dumb, very ignorant, very lazy people who we keep treating as worthy of consideration. It isn't up to the politicians to turn this around. It is going to be the grassroots re-establishing sanity, or it won't happen.

[RussianConservative]

Immigration to Russia open. If entrapuneral, can be rich. Least wise, for $5K can have a good farm in country side, plenty of half empty villages. Retire or home school. Very Christian country with very good growth rate. Only thing, and there are parties trying to change it, no pistols larger then 25 caliber...but you are free to kill any attackers and the law now backs you.

[Centurion2000]

bump

[tiamat]

Oh MAN!

Three kids inside of five years?

THAT is gonna take a toll on Mom!

Tia

[Wright is right!]

"In Russia and Italy, the birthrate is as low as 1.1 which means half the population is gone in a single generation. This is genocide."

As someone else pointed out, it's a bit better than that in Russia, but you're right about Italy - and it is a HUGE problemo.

There are a couple of factors influencing this:

1. Many young Italians have become more career-oriented than in the past, especially young women, and the traditional Italian family has undergone an upheaval because of it. They either defer marriage or child-bearing - or both; and

2. Young Italian males are spending longer and longer time living at home before setting up their own households. They are called mamones, and it isn't uncommon to see young men into their mid- and late thirties still living at home, with Mama feeding them and doing their laundry.

By the time the mamones and the career-oriented females FINALLY decide to marry, they either postpone having kids or have fewer of them - preferring to enjoy their active lifestyles that their careers have afforded them. So by the time they do get around to having a family, as often as not it's just one offspring or perhaps two, not the large stereotypical Italian family of old with a large and boisterous brood.

Add to that mix a burdensome welfare state and a very large percentage of the economy been run "off the books" and you have the recipe for some big problems down the road.

Michael

[blackdog]

I think My sheep farming and airport operations would do a whole lot better there. I face expansion costs in pasture based sheep production of $7,000 per acre. Needs are 4 sheep per acre and stored feeds production of an additional one acre for each six sheep using only hay and not grain.

One can quickly figure that land values of more than $1,000 per acre become prohibitive for sheep production. As for the airport, I could run the best black market around.

Russia sounds like a Western Expansion only in the other direction and 150 years after ours.

[RussianConservative]

Land in major Oblasts more expensive, 20 Km south of Moscow a small village house will run $5-10K. In further east, especially past Urals, maybe $1K...might not have running water. But good house will run $2-5K. Electricity plenty cheap and gas too. Farming with sheep, not much more. Land itself cheap...though laws prohibit non citizens from buying...keeps greedy foreign corps from stealing everything.

[RussianConservative]

Russian women remarkably resillient...most with kids don't look it and under 30 for this, so not major thing.

[blackdog]

What if I send my non alchoholic, non drug addicted, fertile daughter over there to marry some hard working Vladimir? Then can my daughter buy a few thousand acre farm?

A straw purchaser for her dad?

[RussianConservative]

Not only that, but your daughter will have right to bring you and get you citizenship by a law that promotes family unity. Pretty cool eh?

[Under the Radar]

Any more information you have would be very welcome. :^)

[CJ Wolf]

Hey, I'd like three more babies, too. I got a house. I guess I can offer the same deal. I'll throw in a car as well.

[blackdog]

Sheep production is so minimal regarding facility costs. No barns, structures. They breed like rabbits. They get adequate water from grass. They eat snow in the winter(they pass up water for snow). Properly timed breeding means pasture lambing and no more than 5% lamb mortality due to unassisted birthing. Fencing can be highly portable and solar powered to 5000 volts over 30 miles of wire that reels up and is portable.

Here in the US, 400 breeding ewes will produce $74,000 of lambs. The only staff you need is at shearing time and when baleing hay aside from a few good dogs. As for veterinary care, most vets will admit that you can kill a sheep for a lot less than they can.

The farm I now operate was a dairy operation from 1912 until 1997. From 1848 until 1912, it was a sheep operation from a guy who immigrated from Ireland.

Instead of purchasing more land, I lease my flock out starting June in lots of 20 to people with land they normally would have to pay to field mow. I use portable net fencing and solar chargers. I check on them once a week and move the fencing to fresher spots if needed. I don't overstock my pastures this way and I can use my fields for hay production so I don't have to haul hay over long distances. Those 1000lb bales are best stacked right in the field where you baled them, tarped and then fed out in the winter.

Russia sounds like a sheep producers dream. Sheep love it cold, snowy, and isolated.

[TomSmedley]

Russian women remarkably resillient...most with kids don't look it ...

My Ukrainian mother (10 kids) has always been a knockout! During a two week vacation in Ukraine, I noted that either the local bras are flimsier, or the load they carry is heaver.

[daviddennis]

This works well there because housing is so cheap. A house costs about 3x the middle class annual income (assuming that's the 30 pounds a month specified in the article).

A middle-class house in California costs about over times the middle class annual income, so this is an impossible proposal here.

D

[ValenB4]

I read something recently that demographers are now studying a "temporal effect" of women delaying having babies. I wish I could remember where this was. When that factor was taken into account, the really low Euro rates for 20 years from now went up to 1.5 or 1.6 - and that's discounting immigration, which they need to reduce no matter what. So maybe things will work out somehow in the long run. Despite Europe's demographic problems, when push comes to shove there's no way they are going to let their cultures just disappear. The fact that they're slowly waking up is very encouraging.