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Ayn Rand and the Intellectuals
Sierra Times ^ | 5/1/03 | Ray Thomas

Posted on 05/01/2003 8:44:18 AM PDT by RJCogburn

HATING WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND Liberal intellectuals (almost a redundancy, that) hate author Ayn Rand.

They don't just dislike her, they hate her with a passion. The reason? Because she has single-handedly come up with a logical and reasonable philosophy that strips them bare and reveals all their scams and schemes so that people who know her philosophy (Objectivism) automatically spot one of their scams from a long ways away.

THEY CAN'T TELL YOU WHY

They don't subject her to the usual mild criticism or "shunning" to which they subject liberals who say something "slightly different" from "the norm." Their treatment of Rand and her works is visceral and vicious. There are many who merely dismiss her philosophy with the wave of a hand. But they cannot explain why they feel the way they do. If asked for a reason for their opposition to Objectivism, they can't answer and launch into a personal attack on her that amounts to a "fact-free opinion."

DENYING REASON AND LOGIC

If you point out the fact that Objectivism is a "philosophy of reason," they deny the existence of reason. If you point to the logic of Objectivism, they say there is no logic. Then they go on to tell you that "there are no absolutes." Of course, they don't even notice the fact that their very statement is a "statement of an absolute," and negates not only their entire philosophy, but the very statement they have made as well. I love being a proponent of a philosophy that allows me to "shut down" those who disagree with it so easily and completely, and with their own words.

I hasten to say that I do not accept all of Rand's opinions and that I am not an Objectivist. I am a "student of Objectivist philosophy" and am still learning all its facets. That could change later, although I don't think I'll ever agree that abortion is a good thing and that there is no "higher power" although I may not see that "higher power" the same way other people do.

OPPOSING BAD IDEAS WITH GOOD IDEAS

One professor said Rand was a "phony libertarian" who wanted to strip communists of their citizenship. She did not. In fact, she was one of the few people not on the Left who opposed the violation of the rights of communists and said so, in print. She said that stripping them of their rights "is an invalid means of opposing communism and that the proper way to oppose bad ideas was with good ideas."

To show you just how visceral and violent their hate is, there is a story told by Ronald Merril, in his book, The Ideas of Ayn Rand, where a woman's boyfriend was horrified when he saw her reading Atlas Shrugged and grabbed it, throwing it out the window. She watched as the gardener, upon seeing the title, threw it down and ran over it repeatedly. This is an excellent example of the violent reaction that her ideas often get from people who have never really investigated them, but have listened to what their liberal friends have said about her and her works. But again, if you ask them precisely what they don't like about her and her work, they can't answer and usually sneer some personal attack upon her.

IS OBJECTIVISM A "CULT?"

That's one of the criticisms that is most often hurled at Objectivism and its creator, that it is a "cult" that does not allow any dissention. That people have been, in effect, "excommunicated" for disagreeing with it in the slightest way. There is a certain amount of truth to that charge, but it only applies to the personal "circle of friends" she laughingly called her "collective." Rand wasn't perfect, although her mistakes are tiny when put alongside her ideas, which are destined to change the world, and already are. She did insist on complete agreement among those people and shunned those who disagreed with her. But that does not apply to those who believe in, and use her ideas to guide their lives, as I do. That's not a "cult, nor is it a "religion."

Objectivism today has two major factions, about even in strength. One faction is run by her "philosophical and financial heir, Dr.Leonard Peikoff. Peikoff was a member of her "collective" and, in my opinion, is an "opportunist," who took advantage of Rand's fall out with her original protégé, Nathaniel Branden and took over her fortune as well as the "mantle" as "The Voice of Objectivism." This faction, running the Ayn Rand Institute, and claims to be the only source for Objectivist information and ideas. But it is this group that operates somewhat as a cult in that Peikoff's contention that Objectivism, as Ayn Rand proposed it, was, and is, complete and not subject to any changes. To be an Objectivist to him, is to accept everything Rand said, as "gospel" and not deviate from it in any way. It is this which gives rise to the "cult" accusation.

But there is a second faction, run by Objectivist philosopher David Kelley, who started and runs the Objectivist Institute, a competing organization whose view of Objectivism is that it is not complete, and can be improved. It is this group who are not, and never will be, "cult-like." If you wish to associate with this group, you will never get any static whichever way you believe.

It is this division in "the ranks" that caused a severe setback in the acceptance of Objectivism for years. This division was worse than that created when Nathaniel Branden left. But the Objectivist Center has had a strong influence and the acceptance of Objectivism as an excellent guide for your life is rising again, as it must, because it is the only logical philosophy there is.

You may not agree totally with the basic tenets of Objectivism, but here you will not be met with a cold silence if you dare to suggest change. In the Objectivist Institute, you will be welcomed and your ideas debated respectfully. The concepts discovered by Objectivists are not subjective, but the final word on the details of Objectivism may not have yet been discovered. You might be the force by which we can improve the philosophy, no matter what Leonard Peikoff might say.

If you're still "drifting in a sea of opposing philosophies," and you don't know why what's happening in this world is happening, this philosophy will help you to understand. Things will become clear to you as never before, and you will be able to, as my older brother Bob said many years ago, "read between the lines" and be able to figure out why people do as they do. What brought me to Objectivism is my inability to understand why people like Nelson Rockefeller, who had more money than he could spend in three lifetimes, supported collectivism even though it was intent on taking his money away (If you want to know the answer to that, e-mail me).

But this philosophy answered most of my questions and therefore, I can follow it for the most part because it's a logical philosophy and its opponents can only stupidly deny the existence of logic to oppose it. They cannot give coherent answers as to why it is bad, so they make things up. If you want to know the truth, go to the source: The Objectivist Center.


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To: Misterioso
I reasoned that the existence of God is not possible when I was a teenager. Nothing has changed my understanding of this in fifty years.

And in your reasoning you must have come to the logical conclusion that you were (at least as a teenager) omniscient. Just like my teenagers.

Cordially,

681 posted on 05/07/2003 9:51:58 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond
No. I reasoned that omniscience was impossible. Just like omnipotence. I'm sure that's what you were able to demonstrate for your children.
682 posted on 05/07/2003 10:08:17 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: Misterioso
Is it your opinion, then, that an atheist or an agnostic does not know the difference between right and wrong? That, by definition, they are amoral? Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

Obviously, I am saying that atheists claim there are no universal standards for right and wrong, which, by process of elimination, would make morals relative to man's preferences, in which case morals are reduced to personal tastes, and there is no right and wrong. Right and wrong are words that refer to a standard. What is the standard in atheism? The individual? The community? The culture? The government? Those are the only choices you have, but in each case, the standard would be man-made, therefore not universal, not authoritative, and containing no force. If you say morals are decided by the culture - which culture? Are all cultures their own moral authority. Here is a true statement: If there is no moral authority above society, then society becomes absolute.

683 posted on 05/07/2003 10:11:54 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: Misterioso
Is it your opinion, then, that an atheist or an agnostic does not know the difference between right and wrong? That, by definition, they are amoral? Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

I don't have any problem with the idea that a self-professed atheist or agnostic can tell right from wrong. A religious type will tell you that knowledge of "right" and "wrong" are written on our hearts, and that we therefore know the difference, even if we (fallen as we are) actually behave wrongly.

The question is, rather, do atheists and agnostics have any rational excuse for their opinions concerning right and wrong?

For example, if an atheist tells me something is "wrong," do I have to believe him? Note that the atheist must appeal to transcendant concepts to tell me that murder is wrong, as opposed to a merely sub-optimal choice. It seems to me that the fundamental precept of atheism precludes appeals to transcendent moral concepts.

As for an agnostic, when he tells me that something is "wrong", he's either going to have to justify his claims from the atheistic position (which won't work), or from a theistic position (about which he claims to know nothing).

There's no middle ground for the agnostic, since appeals to pragmatism don't work either -- pragmatism is an optimization approach, which is primarily based on answering the question, "what can I get away with?"

684 posted on 05/07/2003 10:16:15 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: exmarine
Even though we see Him differently, there is only one God. He just made us different.
685 posted on 05/07/2003 10:23:29 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: exmarine
I'm not familiar with the beliefs of atheists. The definition I have says that they do not believe in God. I made one comment about animals and their grieving, (something that has been on the animal channel a number of times, and that I have personally observed in a couple of my pets)for dead babies or mates, and you go off on my comparing humans to animals...why? I really don't care what you believe about me, I was just asking how you came up with the thought that I was an atheist.
686 posted on 05/07/2003 10:31:42 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: r9etb
I don't believe in hell. Since we are all human, I have no problem measuring things on a human scale based on the results of this life.
687 posted on 05/07/2003 10:41:22 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
I don't believe in hell. Since we are all human, I have no problem measuring things on a human scale based on the results of this life.

According to your profile, you "hope there is an afterlife."

If there is an afterlife and no hell, then pretty much anything goes here on Earth -- it all boils down to whatever you can get away with. And if there is no afterlife, then it still boils down whatever you can get away with.

Either way, you have nothing on which to base a judgement of right vs. wrong.

688 posted on 05/07/2003 10:48:36 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: stuartcr
I'm not familiar with the beliefs of atheists.

As I pointed out, many of your beliefs are consistent with those of an atheist, so why should I not believe you are an atheist. Do you have a belief that would indicate otherwise?

689 posted on 05/07/2003 10:54:24 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: stuartcr
Even though we see Him differently, there is only one God. He just made us different.

Your God must be a very small god (small g) - kind of like the greek gods - indifferent, distant, not big enough to support moral absolutes and allows humans to do whatever they want. This is a god of your own imagination, isn't it? He certainly isn't the God of the bible who is very very big - an infinite-personal God who spun the galaxies into their orbits, who created mankind in His image, who delights in having a personal relationship with puny little ole me, and whose character and goodness fill the entire universe. Just what is your god good for?

690 posted on 05/07/2003 10:59:38 AM PDT by exmarine
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To: r9etb
Yes I do hope for an afterlife, what it could possibly be, I have no idea...I don't even know if I could comprehend it in this life.

I agree with your second paragraph.

My basis for judging a right or wrong, obviously comes from God. This does not mean that it is an absolute, it means that people are different. There are good people, and there are bad people. This is obvious by observing human behavior.
691 posted on 05/07/2003 11:00:15 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: exmarine
Just a belief in one, all-powerful God, creator of all...but please don't ask me why, because I cannot, and feel no need to, substantiate my belief. Feel free to think anything you want.
692 posted on 05/07/2003 11:04:42 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: exmarine
I never said anything about the bible, other than I don't believe that it is the inerrant word of God. I would not assume to judge what God is good for...I am just thankful for my life, and everything that He has provided for us.
693 posted on 05/07/2003 11:08:04 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Misterioso
No. I reasoned that omniscience was impossible

How could you, a finite being, know with any certainty that either the existence of God is impossible or that omniscience is impossible?

Cordially,

694 posted on 05/07/2003 11:37:32 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: stuartcr
What isf those doing it, did not believe, or had no reference to believe, that it was evil? Would it have been more or less evil to not raid the neighboring cattle, thus putting your own tribe in jeopardy?

Well, they would be doing evil if they were not compelled by righteous reasons. There is an innate sense that we people have about such things. That doesn't mean it's 100% accurate, but it is there. There are many who will testify to this, including those in primitive, tibal communities, especially those who have learned something better and have been able to express what occured in their consciences during their darker days.

695 posted on 05/07/2003 11:45:52 AM PDT by unspun (Is this thing on?)
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To: Diamond
Diamond, what was that thread that you referred to me a week or so ago? (Please don't look it up, if it doesn't come trippingly off the fingertips.) Just hadn't gotten to it.

Eccl. 12:11-12
696 posted on 05/07/2003 11:47:17 AM PDT by unspun (Is this thing on?)
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To: unspun
I guess it wouldn't be so righteous if you were the being raided or killed.
697 posted on 05/07/2003 11:56:15 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: unspun
I can't remember what I did 5 minutes ago, much less a week;^)

Cordially,

698 posted on 05/07/2003 11:56:23 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: unspun
oops. That previous link doesn't work.

Cordially,

699 posted on 05/07/2003 12:00:04 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: unspun
make that...'I guess it wouldn't be so righteous if you were the tribe being raided or killed'
700 posted on 05/07/2003 12:17:17 PM PDT by stuartcr
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