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U.S. Troops Again Fire on Iraqis, 2 Killed in Sunni Muslim enclave that is hostile to U.S. forces
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 30, 2003 | Times Staff Writers

Posted on 04/30/2003 1:11:30 PM PDT by Kay Soze

U.S. Troops Again Fire on Iraqis, 2 Reported Killed Shooting in town 30 miles west of Baghdad comes less than 48 hours after gunfire during a demonstration that hospital officials said killed 13 Iraqis.
By Laura King and Michael Slackman
Times Staff Writers


9:44 AM PDT, April 30, 2003

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- For the second time this week, U.S. troops opened fire today on anti-American demonstrators, leaving two people dead and 18 wounded.

Iraqi residents, protesting over a shooting Monday night when 14 people were killed and 75 were wounded, insisted that no weapons were fired.

"They just started shooting people," said Khazal Abdel Hadi, who had been shot in the leg.

But U.S. Central Command said troops reacted to Iraqis who fired weapons and threw rocks during the demonstration in front of the U.S. military headquarters on the edge of town.

Soldiers at the headquarters saw a protester aiming a weapon and opening fire on a passing convoy of U.S. troops, said Capt. Mike Riedmuller, of the 2nd Squadron of the 3rd Armored Calvary.

He said his soldiers fired several warning shots, followed by shots fired from the convoy.

The crowd was dispersed by U.S. Apache helicopters circling at rooftop level.

The Central Command did not confirm whether any Americans were injured or killed.

The violence came less than two days after U.S. troops and Iraqis clashed at another demonstration in this town about 60 miles west of Baghdad. Residents of this conservative, tradition-bound city charged that 14 Iraqis were killed and 75 others were wounded when U.S. soldiers opened fire on a crowd of protesters in a melee marked by misunderstandings, confusion and seething anger.

More than 24 hours later, the circumstances of the shootings involving members of the 82nd Airborne were still in dispute. The Americans said they were only defending themselves after Iraqis started shooting at them Monday night and that they could not confirm that U.S. forces had killed anyone. Participants insisted it was a peaceful, if heated, demonstration, and pointed to scores of dead and wounded.

Sorting through the various accounts of what occurred is difficult, not only because of the chaos of war, but because of the hatred filling the streets of this city, and because of the vast cultural gap that exists between the Iraqis and the Americans.

This was Saddam Hussein country, a Sunni Muslim enclave that was hostile to U.S. forces long before they arrived.

No matter what the truth turns out to be, the incident has fanned outrage against the Americans as they try to stabilize the country and win the trust of the Iraqi people.

When the Americans rolled into town three days ago, they angered the community when they set up camp in a school, making it impossible for the children to resume classes. Residents became even more upset when the soldiers took school desks and piled them in the street as roadblocks.

And when the soldiers stood on the roof of the school, gazing out across the city, neighbors were worried that they were spying on the women.

"We will talk to the mayor today and we will try to meet with religious leaders to make sure we understand cultural concerns," said Lt. Col. Eric Nantz, 39, of the 82nd Airborne Division, 1st Battalion.

What they did understand is that they were not wanted. Publicly, the officers here say that the vast majority of the people in Fallujah are supportive. But privately, soldiers who won't give their names said they have constantly had rocks thrown at them, been shot at and berated. They said the Monday night attack was the last straw.

"We have been sitting here for three days taking fire," said a soldier who identified himself only as an E4 specialist. "When they marched down the road and started shooting at the compound, there was nothing left to do but defend ourselves."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 13killedfallujah; fallujah; iraqifreedom; iraqwar2; order; postwariraq; saddamsunni; selfdefense; sunnienclave; sunnifallujah; ustroopsiraqis; warningshots
This was Saddam Hussein country, a Sunni Muslim enclave that was hostile to U.S. forces long before they arrived.
1 posted on 04/30/2003 1:11:30 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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To: Kay Soze
Jihad on all Jihads!!
2 posted on 04/30/2003 1:15:44 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberate Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, NK, Cuba,...Hollywood - Support the Troops!)
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To: Kay Soze
Our troops should give the town of Fallujah just what the residents say they want, we leave. We bypass the town, isolate it and refuse to help it with power, water, relief measures or security. See how much they like that.

That will tell other Iraqi towns to not make the same mistake in messing with our troops.
3 posted on 04/30/2003 1:43:39 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Kay Soze
Somebody must have been taping this. So what do the tapes show?
4 posted on 04/30/2003 1:52:32 PM PDT by Grut
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To: RicocheT
The correct course of action, I agree....
5 posted on 04/30/2003 1:58:51 PM PDT by TheBattman (Kid Control, not Gun Control)
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To: Grut
No need for tapes. I got the true story of yesterday's shootings from Pacifica radio last night. American soldiers opened fire (unprovoked)on unarmed school children. The Americans did this because they want to be like the Israeli Defense Force and massacre Arabs in order to dominate them and steal their land. No doubt this latest incident is more of the same, except the Americans didn't aim as well.

Only Pacifica tells the unvarnished truth, as opposed to the right-wing propoganda we get from the corporate media.

7 posted on 04/30/2003 2:11:39 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Homer, you forgot your sarcasm flag. Please tell me you were not serious on this one!
8 posted on 04/30/2003 2:18:08 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: Kay Soze
Before Bush goes any further with the "Mideast Roadmap", perhaps he ought to let this go on a few more months, as the number of killed "unarmed", "peaceful", "rock-throwing" Shiite "protesters" goes over 50 then 100, then 200.

Perhaps then he will realize firsthand what Israel is dealing with every day...all "intifdahs" are Jihads meant to undermine and weaken the enemy. We are hearing the same things we hear in Israel: "No one fired on the troops"..."they were unarmed"..."they only threw stones"..."they are an occupying army". Soon they will get children involved, and then suicide belts, mortars, etc.

Perhaps at the end of 6 months, we will realize that the only way towards peace in Israel is the Armey/DeLay plan: complete removal of the Arab populations to Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia--from whence they came.

9 posted on 04/30/2003 2:20:09 PM PDT by montag813
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To: DigiLinus
They do not have the right to shoot at our soldiers.

If that's what happened. Which I suspect is the case. But where's the tape that shows it happening? I can't believe that after the first incident, taping crowd-control situations didn't become SOP.

10 posted on 04/30/2003 2:39:21 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Aaron0617
."they only threw stones"..."

That...thats what irritates me the most.

I'd like to get one or two jihadist infront of a wall. Then get 10-20 guys digging into a bucket of rocks, stones and bricks. Then "only" throw stones at their heads.

I wonder how they will like that.

11 posted on 04/30/2003 2:49:02 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
This morning's NPR report had me seething before I got out of bed. All claims by Iraqi civilians were reported as fact without qualification, and all accounting by the Americans were qualified by "they said" or "the military claims."

I was stunned when they concluded by saying that yesterday the Americans had fired on the Iraqis after they said they were fired on. Huh? How does that chronology go? NPR is trying so hard to be "objective" that they would rather be inaccurate than report something the military claimed without qualification.

12 posted on 04/30/2003 3:03:26 PM PDT by Fifth Business
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To: navyblue
Please tell me you were not serious on this one!

Nah. I listen to KPFA-Radio Taliban in Berkeley for comic relief. The more they despair over American successes, the weirder they get.

Just one thing I'm trying to figure out.

How many O's in propaganda?

13 posted on 04/30/2003 3:13:35 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: montag813
Perhaps at the end of 6 months, we will realize that the only way towards peace in Israel is the Armey/DeLay plan: complete removal of the Arab populations to Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia--from whence they came.+++

Ethnic cleansing? If it the crime for what US bombed Yugoslavia?
14 posted on 04/30/2003 4:56:06 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Kay Soze
There were definitly 7.62mm holes in the school building after the first shooting incident. At least one of the news groups with acess to the school compound only showed the 5.56mm holes in the shop fronts on the street.
15 posted on 04/30/2003 6:06:28 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: SwinneySwitch
The jihadists wanted trouble. They got some!
16 posted on 04/30/2003 8:16:33 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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