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Music Industry Sends Warning to Song Swappers
Reuters ^
| April 29, 2003
| Sue Zeidler
Posted on 04/29/2003 1:09:02 PM PDT by Mister Magoo
Wednesday April 30, 3:06 AM Music Industry Sends Warning to Song Swappers By Sue Zeidler
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The record industry opened a new front in its war against online piracy on Tuesday by surprising hundreds of thousands of Internet song swappers with an instant message warning that they could be "easily" identified and face "legal penalties."
About 200,000 users of the Grokster and Kazaa file-sharing services received the warning notice on Tuesday and at least one million will be getting the message within a week, according to music industry officials.
The copyright infringement warnings, which were sent by the Recording Industry Association of America, on behalf of the major record labels, said in part:
"It appears that you are offering copyrighted music to others from your computer. ...When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: DON'T STEAL MUSIC, either by offering it to others to copy or downloading it on a 'file-sharing' system like this. When you offer music on these systems, you are not anonymous and you can easily be identified."
The music industry's campaign for the hearts and minds of Internet song swappers comes four days after a federal judge threw an unexpected roadblock to its efforts to shut down song-swapping services in court.
U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Wilson on Friday ruled that the Grokster and Morpheus services should not be shut down because they cannot control what is traded over their systems. Like a videocassette recorder, the software in question could be used for legitimate purposes as well as illicit ones, he said.
"We're expecting to send at least a million messages or more per week because these users are offering to distribute music on Kazaa or Grokster," said Cary Sherman, president of the RIAA.
Sherman described the move as an educational effort to inform users that offering copyrighted music on peer-to-peer networks is illegal and that they face consequences when they participate in this illegal activity.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mp3; music; swapping
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To: FITZ
It would seem that kiddie porn would be easily enough traced back to them and it would be illegal for them to send unsolicited kiddie porn ---I don't think it'd be very smart of them to try this.It would SEEM that it would be traced easily enough.
In reality, it ain't.
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posted on
04/30/2003 4:53:53 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: The FRugitive
I use a firewall that lets me know of unauthorized communications, in or out, plus regularly use adaware - a spyware detection program.Are they running on the same box as Kazaa Lite?
Are they running on a separate box that can execute RPCs?
If the answer to either of those questions is "yes," then you cannot be certain that your statement is accurate.
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posted on
04/30/2003 4:56:33 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: Poohbah
What will get them into the big leagues is when Kazaa's distributed computing service gets used by a terrorist group--to run the hydrocodes necessary to model a thermonuclear device.(Insert Twilight Zone music here)
To: Mister Magoo
Sorry, RIAA, you've been outsourced.
244
posted on
04/30/2003 5:07:43 AM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: Windsong
Hey, you're the guy who's perfectly willing to let Kazaa do what they want to your box...
245
posted on
04/30/2003 5:10:03 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: Poohbah
"Microsoft should give me a new CD. "
You didn't make a backup copy then? Most software I used to buy said step one was to make a backup copy.
To: rwfromkansas
"2% of manufacturers sales go to the RIAA.
CD burners also have a tax sent to the RIAA, though I don't remember how much. "
If this is true, I now officially consider file swapping completely moral.
As poobah said, stupid people make stupid deals, and get their reward.
RIAA is officially getting their pound of flesh.
To: Drumbo
"Rather than change the law; they have challenged it, derided it and ultimately ignored it..."
Like prohibition...
To: Mister Magoo
RIAA and super-bitch Hillary Rosen can take their threats and shove it where the sun don't shine. Taking your customers to court is a sure-fire guaranteed way to lose their business for good. I hope they sue themselves out of existence with that attitude of theirs.
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posted on
04/30/2003 7:59:32 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: Axenolith
Don't hold your breath waiting for new prescription drugs to be developed when the same arguement is used on that... I'm not arguing against patents and copyrights, I'm arguing against trying to confuse 'intellectual property', a limited right granted by the government to foster the useful arts, and real property, which has its origins in common law and belongs to the owner in perpetua. The term 'theft' is generally used by people who want to extent patent and copyrights, in scope and duration, beyond their original intent.
To: Drumbo
"Is it moral to step on an ant on purpose? How about run over a possum on purpose?
And this bears on the discussion how?"
Who's to say when you've crossed a "moral" line (no, not legal).
It's illegal to break the speed limit by one mph. It is illegal to do all sorts of things that literally EVERYBODY does, with full knowledge. So what we are REALLY talking about here is RELATIVE seriousness of the "crime."
The only reason video stores charge per rental as opposed to per viewing is that they know virtually EVERYONE would say they only watched it once. They don't bother with an unenforceable rule which, by the way, would be copyright infringement if you watched it again without paying.
Kazaa, et al, have done the same thing to file sharing rules. They are no longer enforceable and are more and more perceived as just as silly as if the video store DID have a rule such as the one I mentioned above.
I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it's life. Technology has changed the rules.
To: Fishrrman
What all of the examples have in common is you're downloading and recording the stuff for your own private personal pleasure. You're not trying to make a profit off it by selling it without the copyright holder's permission. RIAA needs to understand that people who download and burn songs to their CDs don't do so with the intent of selling it or any way profiting from it illegally. People feel if they resort to Kazaa, Morpheus or WinMX to burn to their own CD they aren't infringing upon any one's rights. RIAA would be better off figuring out to turn this to its advantage than attempting to sue 40 million customers into foregoing file swapping online.
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posted on
04/30/2003 8:10:35 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: SamAdams76
"I mean, when a crappy and vulgar rap song like "In Da Club" by 50 Cent can top the pop charts for two months in a row, you know it is a pretty bad year for music. "
Do you remember when "Sailing" by Christopher Cross recieved "song of the year" at the Grammies. Everyone was saying the same thing you did. When elevator music hits the number one spot, we're in a creative valley.
You may also remember that what got us out of the valley was Micheal Jacksons comeback. I can't remember the name of the album, but I think "Billy Jean" was the first hit.
To: Not Insane
You didn't make a backup copy then? Most software I used to buy said step one was to make a backup copy.Ah, but I said--at the beginning--that I was completely irresponsible (Tesla coil next to the computer, lost the install CD.)
Let's say I backed up the CD--and managed to lose BOTH of the CDs through my own carelessness.
Microsoft still owes me a new CD, according to the "gimme-free-stuff" crowd.
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posted on
04/30/2003 8:32:28 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: supercat; Fishrrman
You both expose the sleeping dragon in your posts: It's too complicated and messy to be "legal." People respond by either becoming tea-totallers or complete drunks, sometimes in protest.
The law, in it's attempt to be "fair" has become so convoluted as to have lost all touch with "fairness" or morality. After all, as one person said, you SHOULD be able to keep people from singing your song in the shower, if you so desire. Of course we think that would be stupid.
In the technological age, many are beginning to believe that keeping people from copying your music, once you've made it available digitally, is the same thing. Is it legal. Nope. But as in my Shower example, everybody will do it anyway.
You have taken nothing from a person unless after your done, they no longer posess it.
To: Axenolith
"Don't hold your breath waiting for new prescription drugs to be developed when the same arguement is used on that..."
Thank God for prayer.
To: Poohbah
Your analogies are all flawed in the same way - they try to relate the virtual to the physical.
One last time: The squatters are not in YOUR house. They are in a COPY of your house.
To: Not Insane
Your analogies are all flawed in the same way - they try to relate the virtual to the physical.Either property rights are real and enforceable, in ALL cases, or they are void and unenforceable.
Which one is it?
One last time: The squatters are not in YOUR house. They are in a COPY of your house.
The issue is the same: ownership of a specific asset, be it physical (my house) or nonphysical (copyright).
In each case, I am being denied the benefits of controlling the use, abuse, and disposal of my property.
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posted on
04/30/2003 9:27:08 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: Poohbah
*hands poohbah a tinfoil firewall*
To: Poohbah
I finally get it. You've come here for an argument! Well, your five minutes are up.
If you want another five minutes it will cost you on pound. Or you can get a half hour for five pounds.
I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue any more until you've paid...
Hmmm, hmmm,hmmm...
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