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Music Industry Sends Warning to Song Swappers
Reuters ^ | April 29, 2003 | Sue Zeidler

Posted on 04/29/2003 1:09:02 PM PDT by Mister Magoo

Wednesday April 30, 3:06 AM Music Industry Sends Warning to Song Swappers By Sue Zeidler

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The record industry opened a new front in its war against online piracy on Tuesday by surprising hundreds of thousands of Internet song swappers with an instant message warning that they could be "easily" identified and face "legal penalties."

About 200,000 users of the Grokster and Kazaa file-sharing services received the warning notice on Tuesday and at least one million will be getting the message within a week, according to music industry officials.

The copyright infringement warnings, which were sent by the Recording Industry Association of America, on behalf of the major record labels, said in part:

"It appears that you are offering copyrighted music to others from your computer. ...When you break the law, you risk legal penalties. There is a simple way to avoid that risk: DON'T STEAL MUSIC, either by offering it to others to copy or downloading it on a 'file-sharing' system like this. When you offer music on these systems, you are not anonymous and you can easily be identified."

The music industry's campaign for the hearts and minds of Internet song swappers comes four days after a federal judge threw an unexpected roadblock to its efforts to shut down song-swapping services in court.

U.S. District Court Judge Stephen Wilson on Friday ruled that the Grokster and Morpheus services should not be shut down because they cannot control what is traded over their systems. Like a videocassette recorder, the software in question could be used for legitimate purposes as well as illicit ones, he said.

"We're expecting to send at least a million messages or more per week because these users are offering to distribute music on Kazaa or Grokster," said Cary Sherman, president of the RIAA.

Sherman described the move as an educational effort to inform users that offering copyrighted music on peer-to-peer networks is illegal and that they face consequences when they participate in this illegal activity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mp3; music; swapping
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To: Poohbah
Prove that they did it...

Are you saying that the only immorality is not getting caught?

101 posted on 04/29/2003 3:00:50 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Poohbah
You're using logic and common sense...

Oops, sorry.

The arguments for song-swapping are always the same and read like a Letterman Top 10:
10. It's free, so it's not stealing.
9. Even if it is stealing, it's only stealing from the rich record companies - the artists never see the money.
8. The technology to do it exists, therefore I can.
7. CD's are too expensive.
6. Everybody does it.
5. Copyright law sucks.
4. Record companies suck.
3. Capitalism sucks.
2. I already own the CD.
1. Just try and stop me.

102 posted on 04/29/2003 3:01:17 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Of course I have an attitude, I spent my life beating things for a living" - Drumbo Thunder)
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To: Poohbah
Actually, I'm modeling it on existing arrangements between the RIAA and manufacturers of blank audio cassettes. If you've ever used a blank cassette, the RIAA got a taste of the action.

...making RIAA greedy double-dipping bastards. If I used a cassette to copy an LP to play in my car when I'm not at home, I was forced to pay them twice.

103 posted on 04/29/2003 3:03:18 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Bella_Bru
But it's a start.

And when it fails, what then?

Whining about file swappers and threatening to send kiddie porn instead of Metallica's "Master of Puppetts" is just childish and solves nada.

Bella, m'dear...the solution would require a return to the ideas of self-discipline that used to be taught in the America of my late father's youth.

It's a societal problem. We've convinced enough people that they are "owed" something for nothing.

And, sadly, the only way this matter will be resolved is through extralegal means.

104 posted on 04/29/2003 3:03:18 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Read the Kazaa license carefully. You basically give Kazaa complete control over your computer

That's why KazaaLite is out there; and even then, primarily for those of us who know exactly what is on our machines at any given point in time...

105 posted on 04/29/2003 3:03:57 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Drumbo
2. I already own the CD.

What's wrong with this one? What if I bought the CD but track 3 won't play because of a scratch? Can I download track 3?

106 posted on 04/29/2003 3:04:57 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Mister Magoo
Oh, brother. Every generation, once they reach the age of 50, thinks the younger generation has no values.

I'm 37. Most of my generation wouldn't understand words like "honor," "discipline," and "responsibility," even if those were to bite members of my birth cohort on the fundament.

107 posted on 04/29/2003 3:05:13 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Petronski
Are you saying that the only immorality is not getting caught?

You're saying that's the case with the file-swappers...

Beware what happens when the RIAA adopts your attidude, eh?

108 posted on 04/29/2003 3:06:07 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
I realize that. When I was younger I made cassettes and paid that tax. What doesn't make sense is for me to pay money to record companies for the privilege of using blank CD's for an unrelated purpose.
109 posted on 04/29/2003 3:06:18 PM PDT by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: Poohbah
You're saying that's the case with the file-swappers...

Care to point that out for me?

110 posted on 04/29/2003 3:07:04 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: mhking
KazaaLite still lets the software do whatever it wants.
111 posted on 04/29/2003 3:07:15 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Just one question - have you ever KNOWINGLY driven over the speed limit?
112 posted on 04/29/2003 3:08:58 PM PDT by Not Insane
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To: Petronski
Your argument seems to be that, if the RIAA can't catch you in a manner you deem acceptable, then whatever the file-swappers are doing is moral.
113 posted on 04/29/2003 3:12:12 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
Compare the Apple program's costs with the Kazaa cost--0.00 for a song or 0.00 for a CD's worth.

P, I can tell you've never used these services. Even though we could afford any CD we want, my wife was goofing around with Morpheus a few weeks ago on one of our home computers just for the heck of it. Guess what? Even though we have a high-speed connection, the other side is usually dial-up. After screwing around one Sat morning to get a few songs, she finally grew bored and hasn't been back since. There is a market for micro-payments that assure a decent connection and without a bunch of spy-ware. Hell, I'm still running ad-aware every few days to get rid of the registry entries.

114 posted on 04/29/2003 3:13:11 PM PDT by Snerfling
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To: Not Insane; Chancellor Palpatine
Yes. And I've gotten speeding tickets. And i've paid the fines associated with them.

I haven't gone off and started shooting at the cops over those, unlike some FReepers.
115 posted on 04/29/2003 3:14:19 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah
if the RIAA can't catch you in a manner you deem acceptable, then whatever the file-swappers are doing is moral.

You're projecting. I've said no such thing.

116 posted on 04/29/2003 3:16:11 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Drumbo
"2. I already own the CD."

Actually, this one is reasonable. I used to download my VINYL to my hard drive and then to CD. Now I just take the SAME MUSIC I OWN ON VINYL from Kazaa lite.

Also, I have downloaded a lot from Kazaa, but nothing I would buy. I will do it out of curiosity and then delete it a day later - and sometimes while it is still downloading. Heck, I've been downloading for only a few months but haven't bought a CD in 6+ years.

The real problem with all this is that our culture is VERY QUICKLY identifying RECORDED music as something equivalent to your first month of AOL, or the free toy with a happy meal. It is not respected as something you would pay for.

Stopping all swapping would not take that aspect away. People would start getting their recordings from "unknowns" in MP3.com and other such stuff.

The whole music marketing industry has changed, like it or not.

Buying CD's is sooooo 20th century.
117 posted on 04/29/2003 3:16:15 PM PDT by Not Insane
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To: Poohbah
I haven't gone off and started shooting at the cops over those, unlike some FReepers.

That's abusive, even as a metaphor. Has anyone started SHOOTING Hilary Rosen?

118 posted on 04/29/2003 3:17:37 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Petronski
What if I bought the CD but track 3 won't play because of a scratch? Can I download track 3?

As long as its fair across the board. If I have a flat tire, I expect a free replacement. /sarcasm

If the CD was scratched when you bought it, you can return defective merchandise for replacement or refund. If you (or your cat, etc.) scratched it, so sorry; you own the license to one scratched CD.

Unless you purchase a new liscense, you are pirating intellectual property under the law, not my opinion; the law. If you are cool with that, download away, but why do you feel the need to justify what you are doing? Go change the law or come to terms with breaking it, but stop all the specious arguments and red herrings to justify your actions.

119 posted on 04/29/2003 3:17:45 PM PDT by Drumbo ("Of course I have an attitude, I spent my life beating things for a living" - Drumbo Thunder)
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To: Mister Magoo
I am a lawyer with twenty years practice experience. Anyone who thinks downloading copyrighted materials is legal is just plain wrong. You may not like the business model the owners of the copyrights have chosen, but that's too bad. The owners of the copyrights have the right to choose the model under which they will make their property available. If you don't like the terms, don't buy the products.

Those too dense to understand the legal niceties should put themselves in the shoes of the artists. Would you feel like someone was stealing from you if after you spent your whole life learning your trade, struggling to make a living, and giving up other opportunities, people began taking the fruit of your efforts for free and passing it around? You bet you would!

Yes, the artists recieve an obscenely small piece of the profit from their music; however, that's the deal they made and doesn't give others the right to steal that obscenely small piece from them.

120 posted on 04/29/2003 3:18:24 PM PDT by KevinB
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