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"We don't have a tyrannical government today. That's just hyperbole on your part."

You're right, we don't. But... here's the thing. The concept that armed civilians have the ability to overthrow such a government is a shibboleth.

Consider this: How many times has someone, or a group, armed with whatever weapons, successfully held off even a police SWAT team and gotten away? The answer is Zero.

I remember another poster, a long time ago, talking about this well-armed militia camp, as if it were impregnable. That was the final stand, in his mind. One A-10, with a couple of Hellfire missiles would put an end to that fantasy.

We saw what happened in Iraq, with our fine military just walking over an entire Iraqi army. Do the RKBA folks _really_ believe they could do better? If so, they are deceived.

We are long past the point where an armed populace is going to overthrow any government in the USA. It ain't gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.

But...we have a cool political system. The zealots can convince the population that their cause is just and elect people, from the school board level to the national level, who agree with them. We have elections every two years, for pete's sake. That's where our power is, not behind a toy "assault rifle." Sorry about the "toy" designation, but that's just what it is.

This battle is being fought in the wrong place. All these folks who think their little semi-autos are going to hold off even the local cops are just kidding themselves.

Get political! Militias and the like are a joke when it comes to access to power in the USA. The best civilian firearms are laughable, even compared to the firepower a small town SWAT team can bring to the battle. Never mind the military, which has another way to SWAT folks who want to fight.

It's all nonsense. The only route is through our fine, flexible system. Go convince people. Don't threaten them. "From my cold, dead hands," is a challenge, not an argument. If you want to die, then be my guest. Try to beat the local SWAT team. If you want to make a change, you'll do a lot better alive.

You make good points. Let me "spin" a little bit (with bugging out my eyes or turning purple!)

"How many times has someone, or a group, armed with whatever weapons, successfully held off even a police SWAT team and gotten away? The answer is Zero."

Remember the INS/FBI Elian Gonzalez raid in Florida. Do you think that would have happened, the way it did, if the Florida family was adequately armed? I think, instead, there would have been an honest effort at negotiation.

"One A-10, with a couple of Hellfire missiles would put an end to that fantasy."

I can't remember when the military was last used against the populace. Probably the Civil War. In any case, the use by the Federal Government against the citizens of the US of military equipment of this type would make a radical change in the nature of our government. We would then have truly become a police state. All the more reason I should own a RPG tankbuster today.

"We are long past the point where an armed populace is going to overthrow any government in the USA. It ain't gonna happen. Not now. Not ever."

A few years ago, after an jury verdict in a police abuse case, that was unpopular in some parts of Los Angeles, race riots spontaneously broke out. The various police departments were unable to quell the riots. In some cases, the police retreated out of the riotous areas, leaving the law-abiding population at risk. A few Korean-born shopkeepers were able to protect their inner-city businesses by getting on the roof with legal guns and firing at the rioters. I believe that the Second Admendment (among others) gives me the individual right to protect myself, my family, my business, and my community - especially in the absence functioning law enforcement. It doesn't matter to me if the criminal threatening me is from the inner city or wears a BATF flak jacket.

"The best civilian firearms are laughable, even compared to the firepower a small town SWAT team can bring to the battle."

Read up on guerilla warfare and sniping tactics. One well-placed shot, taking out a field commander is as effective as bloodying the entire opposition. You were correct in an earlier statment - if you get yourself beseiged, you're dead.

Clearly, you have thought about this a lot. Your suggestions to win the war at the ballot box are on the mark. But I believe, without the Second Amendment, the others are meaningless.

We are long past the point where an armed populace is going to overthrow any government in the USA. It ain't gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.

I have a quote for you...

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams

We saw what happened in Iraq, with our fine military just walking over an entire Iraqi army. Do the RKBA folks _really_ believe they could do better? If so, they are deceived.

I hear garbage like this all of the time from snot nosed civilian lefties! So I feel the need to point out a small fact that most of you commie pinko fascists seem to ignore...

That fact is that a very large portion of those serving in the United States Military are in fact R.K.B.A. types A.K.A. American gun owners. Hello, anybody in there numbskull??? We are the one's who are flying the A-10s, driving the M-1's and defeating America's enemies abroad. If you think that we will one day come home and start slaughtering American patriots instead of taking out the trash in America that is the people like yourself then you sir are the one whom is deceived!

You and the rest of your un-American cronies might want to wake up, put the crack pipe down and take a deep breath of reality now!

--Rebel Dawg

SSgt USMC