the barbary pirates attacked us first. When did Iraq attack us?
Bye.
And the good thing is, you only used one comma.
"We don't have a tyrannical government today. That's just hyperbole on your part."
You're right, we don't. But... here's the thing. The concept that armed civilians have the ability to overthrow such a government is a shibboleth.
Consider this: How many times has someone, or a group, armed with whatever weapons, successfully held off even a police SWAT team and gotten away? The answer is Zero.
I remember another poster, a long time ago, talking about this well-armed militia camp, as if it were impregnable. That was the final stand, in his mind. One A-10, with a couple of Hellfire missiles would put an end to that fantasy.
We saw what happened in Iraq, with our fine military just walking over an entire Iraqi army. Do the RKBA folks _really_ believe they could do better? If so, they are deceived.
We are long past the point where an armed populace is going to overthrow any government in the USA. It ain't gonna happen. Not now. Not ever.
But...we have a cool political system. The zealots can convince the population that their cause is just and elect people, from the school board level to the national level, who agree with them. We have elections every two years, for pete's sake. That's where our power is, not behind a toy "assault rifle." Sorry about the "toy" designation, but that's just what it is.
This battle is being fought in the wrong place. All these folks who think their little semi-autos are going to hold off even the local cops are just kidding themselves.
Get political! Militias and the like are a joke when it comes to access to power in the USA. The best civilian firearms are laughable, even compared to the firepower a small town SWAT team can bring to the battle. Never mind the military, which has another way to SWAT folks who want to fight.
It's all nonsense. The only route is through our fine, flexible system. Go convince people. Don't threaten them. "From my cold, dead hands," is a challenge, not an argument. If you want to die, then be my guest. Try to beat the local SWAT team. If you want to make a change, you'll do a lot better alive.
Got it. Thanks.
Bush is a moderate. If he was a conservative, he wouldn't have been elected. If we're lucky and we stop the Assault Weapons Ban in Congress, after his terms we can demand a conservative. If we abandon Bush now, we'll get another liberal.
The trick is to make sure the Republican Party know that we need the Assault Weapons ban killed off in Congress before it reaches his desk.
<< Ron Paul voted against a ban on frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers. >>
That is misleading and deceptive. Paul voted against the bill because it was an unconstitutional consolidation of power by the fedguv. Even if it is a "good" cause, the fedguv has no Constitutional authority to usurp the states.
It will do us no good to support the 2nd Amendment by violating the 9th and 10th Amendments. That would be the epitome of "shooting ourselves in the foot".
Get it through that thickened skull of yours. Rule of Law. Constitution says "Declare War", not "resolution of force". And you had to go trolling through a democrat website to find it as well! Jackass.
<< I will continue to support the NRA and its state affiliates until I see that it is no longer relevant. >>
The NRA might be relevant, but that's not a good thing for gun right supporters. They are relevant as the biggest COMPROMISERS and PHONIES in the issue today.
NRA is SHOT
Check out this URL (
http://keepandbeararms.com/information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=175) to see dozens of other examples of how the NRA has COMPROMISED our gun rights. If you're not familiar with the NRA compromises of the last few years, and you still think they are a solid conservative organization fighting for our gun rights, you will be SHOCKED. The article below undresses the NRA as PHONY, once and for all. If you support gun rights, join Gun Owners of America (GOA
http://www.gunowners.org/), Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO
http://www.jpfo.org/index.htm), or KeepAndBearArms (KABA
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/). They are the groups who actually support the Constitution and the right to bear arms.
From:
Newsletters@KeepAndBearArms.com "Assault Weapons" Ban Sunset Battle About to Get Ugly
KeepAndBearArms.com April 24, 2003
In Monday's edition of the Washington Post, Dana Milbank
was kind enough to report on the results of
KeepAndBearArms.com's poll slamming President Bush for
his support for the Clinton/Feinstein 1994 federal ban on
various semi-automatic firearms and on effective-capacity
magazines.
The Post even pointed out the strange silence from the NRA's
"leadership" on Bush's promise to follow in his father's footsteps
as a gun banning backstabber.
Here's the Post's paragraph:
"The National Rifle Association, which opens its convention
in Orlando this week, has held its fire after a Bush spokesman
said the president supports reauthorizing the assault weapons
ban. Not so the pro-gun Web site keepandbeararms.com,
which did a somewhat, er, loaded Web poll. Asked whether
they would still vote for Bush if he signs a renewal of the ban,
79.6 percent of respondents chose the option, 'Hell no, and I'll
tell all of my friends to abandon him, too.' Three percent chose
the less extreme option, 'Yes, I would still vote for him, even
after he proves that he's a traitor.' "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7981-2003Apr21 If you've ever seen NRA's Executive VP, Wayne LaPierre speak
publicly, you know the man has a way with words. The cat doesn't
get Mr. Smoothtalker's tongue. His silence is deafening.
MESSAGE TO WAYNE LAPIERRE AT NRA:
Playing "politics" with our rights again? If you fellas sell us out
on the so-called "assault weapons" ban, everything in this archive:
http://KeepAndBearArms.com/NRA will look sweet, kind and
gentle compared to the active, aggressive, continual public
awareness campaign aimed at NRA's leadership that will be
launched. Gun owners are fed up with compromises and
political games being played against our rights. The vast
majority polled promise they will not cast another vote in Bush's
direction if he signs this ban. Do you honestly believe your
membership tally won't suffer a similar fate?
The sunsetting of the Clinton/Feinstain gun ban is our line in
the sand. No compromise. None. Sunsetting the ban is the
only option.
~~~~~~~
Our "pro gun" President recently expressed support for the
current illegal firearms ban -- the Post broke the bad but
unsurprising news to us -- and support for renewing it when
it comes up for its scheduled sunset in September of 2004,
just before the general election.
All NRA has managed to say publicly about Bush's support for
the gun ban is that it won't matter if Congress doesn't put the bill
on Mr. Bush's desk -- a weak-kneed statement made by Wayne
LaPierre. While factually correct but empty of commitment -- and
thus requiring no spine -- gun owners who send the NRA money
ought to stop and wonder why they are giving him a pass on his
support for a federal gun ban that clearly violates the Second
Amendment.
WorldNetDaily.com ran a report on the next day, showing rabid
anti-gun, anti-self-defense Senators -- including Dianne Feinstein
and Chuck "Snickers That Women in His District Are Defenseless
Against Local Murderers" Schumer -- praising the President's new
fondness toward gun banning.
Rabid gun banners are praising the Prez for joining them in their
quest to disarm Americans, but NRA is AWOL? Hello?
When the NRA convention convenes later this week, all
lion-hearted patriots in attendance are urged to make noise
for one thing:
SUNSETTING THIS GUN BAN
For clarification, the Post didn't quite paint the whole picture
on where gun owners stand in regards to the President's offer
to pull a Bill Clinton. A full 92% of 8,677 respondents said they
would not vote for the President in his bid for reelection -- if
he signed the soon-to-be-submitted reauthorization of the gun
ban.
The Washington Post -- along with its balanced counterpart, the
Times -- is a staple inside the Beltway. There's no doubt that
President Bush is on notice as to where gun owners stand on
his obedience to illegal, unAmerican gun prohibitionism. It's
now time to rattle the Congressional cages. If you haven't
contacted your Rep and Senator, this is your notice to add
some phone calls to your "to do" list. Naturally, that doesn't
apply if you happen to have a political whore like Dianne
Feinstein or Hillary Clinton lording over your rights; women
who'd rather see other women raped than rapists shot aren't
likely to grasp concepts like "arms = freedom" -- guns are
for their bodyguards, paid for you YOU.
But if you live in an area where your congress critters can be
persuaded (or simply warned) by floods of phone calls, faxes
and mail, it is indeed time to start making waves. Do your part.
Carry your weight on this one, and get your friends to do the
same.
The battle to sunset the illegal, immoral 1994 Clinton/Feinstein
semi-auto rifle ban is about to get ugly...
A broad-based coalition of many gun rights organizations has
formed and is growing and will be announced any day now.
Just to become a member, a group must agree to get vindictive
with ANY public servant who supports, endorses, promotes,
votes for or even hedges on the 1994 federal gun ban. Up to,
and including, our "pro gun" Republicrat President. Same goes
for ANY "gun rights organization" that sells us out, no matter
how large or small, no matter how popular or entrenched.
It's time to separate the wheat from the chaff in the battle for
firearms freedoms. Nobody gets a pass on supporting this gun
ban.
Lead your charge. Gun Owners of America has an excellent
website feature to lead you straight to contact information for
your congressional servants. Make them serve Liberty, and
inform them that their failure to do so will result in political pain:
http://www.GunOwners.org/activism.htm Please Note: an email to a federal legislator is nothing compared
to a phone call, a fax, or a hand-written letter delivered by snail
mail. You're lucky if an email to a federal legislator gets tallied.
Email does not get read and considered point by point. CALL!
At least. Sending snail mail AND calling is ideal. Ending this
onerous federal gun ban -- and smacking down a host of
anti-rights communist fools in the process -- is worth the time.
Here's that link again:
http://www.GunOwners.org/activism.htm "If you do phones, you can ruin the staff's day and they
will get nothing done -- because they are spending all their
time on the phone. That definitely gets their attention."
--Legislative Correspondent for congressman on our side
April 23, 2003
KeepAndBearArms.com
Gun Owners' Home Page
~~~~~~~
NOTE: If someone forwarded this email message to you, you
can sign up for our free email list in the upper left side of our
home page:
http://KeepAndBearArms.com
<< Here's what Paul really wanted.... A nice, clean, legal Declaration of War without all the UN BS loaded onto it. >>
That's only half true. He stated he would vote *against* the bill, but he included the rider to try to get the Congress to at least show that they were indeed subverting the Constitution in their zealousness to start a war.
It worked. Congress rejected the rider asking for a Constitutional declaration, thereby ADMITTING the bill that gave Bush dictatorial war powers was NOT a Constitutional declaration of war.
<< 40+ million Second Amendment zealots with Dr. Ron Paul as our standard bearer could make a difference. What say ye? >>
Paul actually supports the Constitution he swore to uphold. Today's Republicans, who LIED to God and man when they held their hands on the Bible and took their oaths to defend and protect the Constitution, would never go for a standard bearer who actually has any standards.
You and Chancellor palpitation drive people away from the republicans in droves. The idea of voting for the same candidate as you makes me ill.
You're either idiots or shills.