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The Dini-gration of Darwinism
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy

Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation for students unable to "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the following question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

For asking this question, Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination. As a result, a legal complaint was filed against Dini by the Liberty Legal Institute. Supporters of the complaint feared that consequences of the widespread adoption of Dini’s requirement would include a virtual ban of Christians from the practice of medicine and other related fields.

In an effort to defend his criteria for recommendation, Dini claimed that medicine was first rooted in the practice of magic. Dini said that religion then became the basis of medicine until it was replaced by science. After positing biology as the science most important to the study of medicine, he also posited evolution as the "central, unifying principle of biology" which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which applies to all species.

In addition to claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine, Dini suggested that physicians who ignore or neglect Darwinism are prone to making bad clinical decisions. He cautioned that a physician who ignores data concerning the scientific origins of the species cannot expect to remain a physician for long. He then rhetorically asked the following question: "If modern medicine is based on the method of science, then how can someone who denies the theory of evolution -- the very pinnacle of modern biological science -- ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist?"

In an apparent preemptive strike against those who would expose the weaknesses of macro-evolution, Dini claimed that "one can validly refer to the ‘fact’ of human evolution, even if all of the details are not yet known." Finally, he cautioned that a good scientist "would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

The legal aspect of this controversy ended this week with Dini finally deciding to change his recommendation requirements. But that does not mean it is time for Christians to declare victory and move on. In fact, Christians should be demanding that Dini’s question be asked more often in the court of public opinion. If it is, the scientific community will eventually be indicted for its persistent failure to address this very question in scientific terms.

Christians reading this article are already familiar with the creation stories found in the initial chapters of Genesis and the Gospel of John. But the story proffered by evolutionists to explain the origin of the species receives too little attention and scrutiny. In his two most recent books on evolution, Phillip Johnson gives an account of evolutionists’ story of the origin of the human species which is similar to the one below:

In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Darwinists, who proclaim themselves to be scientists, are certainly entitled to hold this view of the origin of the species. But that doesn’t mean that their view is, therefore, scientific. They must be held to scientific standards requiring proof as long as they insist on asking students to recite these verses as a rite of passage into their "scientific" discipline.

It, therefore, follows that the appropriate way to handle professors like Michael Dini is not to sue them but, instead, to demand that they provide specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup. In other words, we should pose Dr. Dini’s question to all evolutionists. And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond.

Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology. It is worth asking ourselves whether the study of biology has been hampered by the widespread and uncritical acceptance of Darwinian principles. To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

At least that seems to be the way things have evolved.


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KEYWORDS: creatins; creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evoloonists; evolunacy; evolution
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To: cornelis
Fun trivia for the day - Henry Jones Ford, one of the founding fathers of modern political science, was heavily influenced by Darwinism in his search for the "universal principles" of political behavior ;)
1,921 posted on 05/22/2003 9:43:33 PM PDT by general_re (When you step on the brakes, you're putting your life in your foot's hands...)
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To: AndrewC
You either made a transistor(PNP or NPN choose your sides) or a baloney sandwich!

Yes, but it was missing something, which you thoughtfully provided ;)


1,922 posted on 05/22/2003 9:46:04 PM PDT by general_re (When you step on the brakes, you're putting your life in your foot's hands...)
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To: KBtry4-11
Evolution if it has to be on a conservative site should be listed under ideology -- occult ... or the anti - christ --- satanism !!
1,923 posted on 05/22/2003 9:48:39 PM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: general_re
Yes, but it was missing something, which you thoughtfully provided ;)

Yeah, but it is only on the side not in the sandwich, so you must have cut the cheese.;^)

Out of the sandwich, of course.

1,924 posted on 05/22/2003 10:01:49 PM PDT by AndrewC (my foot's hand's palm fronds are fair weather)
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To: Heartlander
They changed their sentiment? The statement neither confirms nor denies that our existence has any inherent purpose.
1,925 posted on 05/23/2003 12:11:24 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: bondserv
He would provide a way for us to relate to Him, because He is so beyond our capacity to understand.

For someone beyond your capacity to understand, you claim to understand a lot about Him.
1,926 posted on 05/23/2003 12:13:20 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: PatrickHenry; Dark Knight
I think jennyp knows this stuff, so I'm giving her a ping. We discussed it a couple of years ago. All that I remember is that it's supposed to be a bit of evidence that we're related to some other hominids with the same genetic defect, presumably a non-fatal inheritance from a long-ago ancestor of us all.

Hmmm, sorry, the best I can do is point Dark Knight to Talk.Origins & search on "Vitamin C" or maybe "ascorbic acid". (I've just been upgraded to Windows 2000 & I don't know where anything is anymore!)

1,927 posted on 05/23/2003 12:26:36 AM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp; Dark Knight
Thanks for trying, jenny. DK, it's your homework project now.
1,928 posted on 05/23/2003 4:01:36 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Dark Knight
get over me
1,929 posted on 05/23/2003 4:26:32 AM PDT by ALS (ConservaBabes.com - Home of ConservaBotâ„¢)
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To: Dimensio
Hello Dimensio,

These things about God are revealed by Him via the Bible. I have no more knowledge of God than is available to you. There is also a heavenful of knowledge that I look forward to being exposed to in the future.

Because the God I know is completely reasonable, I continue to study science as objectively as I can. Which brings me to this thread, and other science oriented threads, with a hunger to know.

One of the cool evidences of Gods' handiwork in a Christians life is a recognition of the changes (for the moral better) in our lives as we look back at the changes He has made. Often these changes are without our knowledge or recognition of the need.

One confusion that many people watching a Christians life is the seeming hipocracy. What most critics overlook is the fact that some Christians started their Christianity with massive amounts of emotional baggage. God doesn't promise to mature us immediately, only to progressively develope us in character and principled actions.

Some of us have more of a mountain before us than others, please find a forgiving part of your heart for some of our misrepresentations of Gods' ways.

bondserv

1,930 posted on 05/23/2003 7:26:35 AM PDT by bondserv
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To: general_re; js1138
Voegelin characterizes this shift as losing an existential anchor whereby political thinking becomes principled by universals derived from a "climate of opinion." This is one feature operative in these debates on the merit or insufficiency of evolutionary thinking.

The existential consciousness that should be the formative force of public order has been replaced by a "public unconscious" which energetically resists an analysis of its structure"

I'm not sure of all that this resistance entails, but energetic it is. Perhaps one feature is the entertainment value of debate.

1,931 posted on 05/23/2003 9:41:18 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: longshadow
Darwin Central weekend message acknowledged.
1,932 posted on 05/23/2003 9:45:14 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Dimensio
They changed their sentiment?

Interesting question. They changed the statement but they still believe the original statement to be true? Maybe, but I hope not.

According to the NABT's executive director, the change was made ``to avoid taking a religious position'' that might offend believers. The two words that were removed from their statement were; 'unsupervised' and 'impersonal'. These two words made the NABT's statement religious and faith-based. To illustrate, change the words to 'supervised' and 'personal'. Either way, both statements would be outside the purely 'material constraints' that science currently imposes. Their statement boldly claimed that there was no intelligent cause (force, etc.) behind mankind and all existence. It took seven years of prodding before they revised the statement.

The statement neither confirms nor denies that our existence has any inherent purpose.

Another interesting statement. Darwin claims (in a nutshell) that life's purpose is the four F's:
Feeding, Fighting, Fleeing, and… Reproducing. This is natural selection.
But here is the rub; life has purpose but nothing else does? We don't attribute 'purpose' to anything outside of life do we? Someone can give a rock 'a purpose' but the 'rock' (atoms, etc.) has no purpose - does it? Where does life's purpose come from?

Anyway, let's look at a college textbook and see what it has to say on the subject:

According to Douglas Futuyama’s widely used college textbook Evolutionary Biology(1998), Darwin’s “theory of random, purposeless variations acted on by blind, purposeless natural selection provided a revolutionary new answer to almost all questions that begin with ‘Why?’” Darwin “made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superfluous,” and thereby “provided a crucial plank to the platform of mechanism and materialism” that is now “the stage of most Western thought.”

Well, we can't use this because it is a religious statement. I guess we should look at a required/recommended reading book for college biology:
"Paley's argument is made with passionate sincerity and is informed by the best biological scholarship of his day, but it is wrong, gloriously and utterly wrong. The analogy between . . . watch and living organism, is false. All appearances to the contrary, the only watchmaker in nature is the blind forces of physics, albeit deployed in a very special way. A true watchmaker has foresight: he designs his cogs and springs, and plans their interconnections, with a future purpose in the mind's eye. Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparent purposeful form of all life, has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind's eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vision, no foresight, no sight at all. If it can be said to play the role of watchmaker in nature, it is the blind watchmaker.
The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe Without Design (p. 5)
Richard Dawkins

Another religious statement? Hmmm… The National Association of Biology Teacher's, college textbooks, and required/recommended reading material.

Maybe it's just human nature...
If the things that you (and I) detest exists in religion i.e. dogmatism, conceit, mockery, intolerance, and power-obsession, why would we not expect to see it in science as well? Especially when science becomes religion.

1,933 posted on 05/23/2003 10:01:21 AM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Darwin central, creos at thier silliest placemarker.
1,934 posted on 05/23/2003 10:19:37 AM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Heartlander
hl ...

Maybe it's just human nature...

If the things that you (and I) detest exists in religion i.e. dogmatism, conceit, mockery, intolerance, and power-obsession, why would we not expect to see it in science as well? Especially when science becomes religion.


1,933 posted on 05/23/2003 10:01 AM PDT by Heartlander

fC ...

Maybe it's just human nature...

If the things that you (and I) detest exists in religion i.e. dogmatism, conceit, mockery, intolerance, and power-obsession, why would we not expect to see it in EVOLUTION * * as well?

Especially when EVOLUTION * * becomes religion --- POLITICS -- MONEY -- POWER * * .

... * * ... FEW CHANGES // ADDITIONS !

1,935 posted on 05/23/2003 10:48:06 AM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: Heartlander
But here is the rub; life has purpose but nothing else does? We don't attribute 'purpose' to anything outside of life do we? Someone can give a rock 'a purpose' but the 'rock' (atoms, etc.) has no purpose - does it? Where does life's purpose come from?

Who said that life has a purpose? I never claimed that life has any inherent purpose, at least one moreso than a rock. I simply stated that the theory of evolution does not inherently rule out the possibility of purpose. Just because evolution itself may not address purpose (and may even lead some to doubt certain types of purpose) does not mean that it completely rules out any possibility of purpose at all. Evolution theory and the theories that support it (such as natural selection) do not assume purpose because no purpose is seen inherent in the mechanisms, but that doesn't mean that there isn't any purpose anywhere. There could be purpose in a mechanism outside of evolution, or a hidden purpose not yet discovered.
1,936 posted on 05/23/2003 11:23:17 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Dimensio; bondserv
by the way, check out bondserv's profile page. This is who you are "debating" with.

bondserv... I've gotta hand it to ya! You've disproved a few centuries of geologic science, and turned geology upside down with 2 pictures and and a handful of words!

Maybe being a creationist wouldn't be so bad afterall... Life would surely be a bit simpler!
1,937 posted on 05/23/2003 11:30:11 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Dimensio
Evolution is atheist popery ... existential anarchy --- infantilism !
1,938 posted on 05/23/2003 11:30:25 AM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: All
PLACEMARKER Whatcha lookin' for?
1,939 posted on 05/23/2003 11:35:22 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: Dimensio
(1.) Creation from a deity whose attributes do not match those of the Christian God. (2). A temporal loop. (3.) The universe is a computer simulation. (4.) A cat named Queen Maeve created everything Last Thursday.

Option 1 is still creation, regardless which "god" is being spoken of. Options 2 and 3 are events/processes which require an Outside Intelligence, and so also are basically creation. And option 4 is ridiculous - Queen Maeve sleeps all day on Thursdays. Come to think of it, she sleeps all day on every other day in the week, too.

1,940 posted on 05/23/2003 11:47:48 AM PDT by music_code
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