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The Seat Of Power
Illinois Leader ^ | 28 April 2003 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 04/28/2003 3:57:25 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane

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To: Ford Fairlane
Poshard is at least an honest man, he will stick by what he says, won't lie to you, and will admit when he is wrong

Maybe so. But I see this as not just a battle of ideologies, I see it as a fight for the survival of this nation. It seems the Democrats are deliberately trying to drive this nation down to submission to the socialist nations of the world. Look at the way they love the UN. How could they possibly support the UN when the UN has been extremely anti-American the several years. I believe it comes down to the fact that a lot of Democrats are atheists. Atheists have nothing to believe in but their anti-religion ideology, and so they see America as an obstruction to the things they believe in most, and that's why they are trying to bring down this country. Democrats hate the things that make America great. They're doing all they can to drive our businesses out of this country. Why in the world would they do that unless they had a larger agenda. I believe that agenda is the downfall of America because America is the most conservative country and conservatism = Christianity. Their hatred of America is due to their hatred of Christianity. Look at what their hero Clinton did for 8 years, he exported all the high technology weapons he could to China, he gave North Korea nuclear weapons, he allowed terrorist attacks to go unanswered, he took the Muslim side in the Balkins war. These are four very big hints that the Democrats are against this nation. And to top it off Clinton admitted that he believes that America should be brought down a few notches. He's a Democrat, so you can bet that if he believes that, a lot of Democrats believe it. (I know this is a heavy post for what we're talking about, but this is the way I see it and why I'll never vote for a Democrat, it's a lot more than one guy against another guy, it's part of a larger war.)

For example, he told me that he (and a few other congressmen) made a huge mistake voting for the 94 assault weapons ban, but at the time he thought something would be passed & he was afraid it would be much worse than what we got - of course, on the bright side the deal he made is the reason there is a sunset date in the bill & we might be able to kill it next year.

I think if Poshard was really an honest man he wouldn't be a Democrat. There comes a time when you have to support this nation and not your party. This is one reason why I'll never vote for a Democrat. They say they're on our side, but as soon as they get around the other Democrats they march lock-step with them to take away freedoms, just like Poshard did with the gun ban. The Dems are trying the same thing in the southern states, going after the NASCAR vote, they want the votes from the types of people that like NASCAR. Just wait until some of them get elected, they'll vote for the same stuff Gore would vote for, their claims of being NASCAR types of people are all for show.

21 posted on 04/28/2003 8:50:27 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
I think if Poshard was really an honest man he wouldn't be a Democrat.

Perhaps a little harsh. I'll give him the benfit of the doubt and say that he's probably more naive than dishonest. I'm sure there are Democrats that love their country, but there's too many that don't for me to support any that do.

22 posted on 04/28/2003 9:05:35 PM PDT by #3Fan
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their hero Clinton

I know for a fact Poshard doesn't think that

The problem is there are some good conservative (socially) democrats that still are democrats because of labor issues - many of which I used to disagree with, but after working as a contract engineer for several major companies in this state, including one that makes big yellow tractors & doesn't give a damn about their employees, I can see some of their points

23 posted on 04/28/2003 9:24:51 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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Yuck. Even though I consider myself pretty environmentally-friendly for an anti-global warming conservative, that bites. What was he thinking? Did he buy the pretty, pretty caribou pictures? Properly managed, this land would have been a haven for wildlife, and think of the jobs!

Thanks for the responses.
24 posted on 04/28/2003 9:28:42 PM PDT by alwaysconservative ("All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Ford Fairlane
Yeah, I'm a free-trader. But that philosophy is dependant upon the assumption that there isn't a country of 1.2 billion obedient intelligent people who are willing to work for slave wages. What to do about the problem of China taking all of our manufacturing capacity...I don't know yet. But it obviously is a problem. Companies are shutting down here and moving operations to China as fast as they can. Companies are in business to make a profit and this strategy is making their bottom lines improve a lot. But it's obviously creating an economic and security risk for this country. We can't defend ourselves if we can't make anything. A nation of park rangers and landscapers won't last long in a war with a nation of heavy industry. I'd like to see conservation solutions tried before liberal ones though:

End corporate taxation and go to a low flat tax, give the corporations a chance to stay here. 36% of Americans don't pay taxes, upper income is paying all the taxes. Everyone is going to have to pay their fair rate. We're taxing ourselves right out of an economy with our "progressive" rates.

End the tendency to turn every bit of land into a national park, especially out west. We have land out there that can be used for farming, domestic animal raising, mined for gold, coal, and OIL (ANWR!)...these industries create real wealth for America, they're not just industries where the same dollar is passed around in services...so in other words, the federal government needs to turn a lot of the land they own to private industry.

We need to quit strapping our companies to environmental regulations that other countries don't adhere to so much. In other words, we need to support non-Kyoto type treaties. Kyoto was an anti-American-industry treaty because it excluded China from worldwide environmental standards. Liberals supported Kyoto big time, another indication that they're trying to destroy the economic base that helps pay for our freedom. We didn't sign on to Kyoto but I don't see any outvry for China to clean up it's act. The world needs to get together and do this before we come up with any new Kyoto-type environmentalism.

Those three would be a big start, I think.

25 posted on 04/29/2003 6:32:16 PM PDT by #3Fan
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I'd like to see conservation solutions tried before liberal ones though:

Should be "...conservative solutions...", not "...conservation solutions..."!

26 posted on 04/29/2003 6:34:39 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: alwaysconservative
Yuck. Even though I consider myself pretty environmentally-friendly for an anti-global warming conservative, that bites. What was he thinking? Did he buy the pretty, pretty caribou pictures? Properly managed, this land would have been a haven for wildlife, and think of the jobs!

He claims he believes it's not right to attach legislation together that doesn't have obvious connections. Why in the world did he pick ANWR to make that point though? We need to cut our oil dependency as soon as possible!

27 posted on 04/29/2003 6:38:45 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Ford Fairlane
>> their hero Clinton <<
>> I know for a fact Poshard doesn't think that way <<

Well, the thing about Poshard is that he's an honest man but he's STILL a party loyalist. During Monicagate, Poshard admitted Clinton had disgraced the White House and even said it would probably be best if Clinton resigned in the event of an impeachment.

But when impeachment came up, guess how Poshard voted? Against on all counts. Only five Democrats were brave enough to break party ranks and he wasn't one of them.

Don't get me wrong, Poshard is infinitely better than a lying murderering scumbag like George Ryan (a "Republican" who defended Clinton during Monicagate!) but to say we can trust him to vote our side is not accurate. He's socially conservative on many issues, but never forget his "lifetime" overall conservative voting average is 45%. Edgar's from the Susan Collins wing of the party, which means he'd probably vote our way at least 60% of the time.

28 posted on 04/29/2003 9:09:48 PM PDT by BillyBoy (George Ryan deserves a long term...without parole.)
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