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U.S. virus experts slam SARS panic
Reuters - alertnet.org ^ | 28 Apr 2003 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 04/28/2003 3:12:22 PM PDT by CathyRyan

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To: Steel Wolf
The only thing that can help their reputation is beating it disease, and if it is not beaten no amount of spin or of marginal economic actions over the next 6 months will have any bearing on either their economy or their reputation.

Hong Kong style panic got the virsus less than linear in less than a month. That will contain its immediate effect there to some economic disruption and a few score deaths.

The overall epidemic is capable of doubling in size every 20 days. Meaning it will either be contained, or will infect millions, and likely kill hundreds of thousands, within 6 months. A year from now nobody will give a tuppenny damn about Hong Kong hotels if millions are dying from a Chinese plague. A year from now nobody will care about SARs if it goes less than linear next month, and so tops out at a few hundred deaths worldwide.

Beating the damn critter is the only policy issue that matters. The enemy is not press, or spin, or reactions, or hype, or funding, or my pet theory vs. yours or anybody else's. The enemy is the damn bug.

81 posted on 04/28/2003 7:29:34 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Hong Kong style panic ...

Oh PLEASE - pure panic does not allow for rationality in the decisions to isolate, treat and track those who may have contracted as insidious (YES, insidious) disease such as SARS.

Tell me - do YOU do *your* best work in a panic-state?

82 posted on 04/28/2003 7:41:57 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked as source of SARS in China: http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: JasonC
The most devestating health problem I have personnally experienced was a bout of viral menningitus.
The horror of the illness was bad enough, the knowledge that I can contract it again, strikes terror in my heart.
No one knew how I caught it, and no one knows how I can avoid future recurrances.
The pain and suffering is indescribable.
How do they describe the pain from SARS in the medical community? How does a survivor describe it?
83 posted on 04/28/2003 7:56:19 PM PDT by sarasmom (Punish France.Ignore Germany.Forgive Russia.)
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To: _Jim
The best way to guarantee panic is to convince people you are lying when you tell them not to panic.

That is one of the problems in China today: The government has been caught in so many lies that nothing they say is believed.
84 posted on 04/28/2003 8:02:24 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: Battle Axe
Is that avian bronchitis you referred to Chlamydia psittaci? If so there are two viral vectors and one bacterial vector in one organism, I kind of doubt it. Makes things interesting. I wonder if some type of bacteriophage is involved???
85 posted on 04/28/2003 9:22:04 PM PDT by Coroner
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To: blam
Ewww...where'd you get THAT statistic?
86 posted on 04/28/2003 9:36:50 PM PDT by goodnesswins (He (or she) who pays the bills, makes the rules.)
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To: friendly
I had not heard about C...

A) The virus is intensely infectious. B)It kills 5% to 20% C)Many of those recovered are severely disabled. D) It mutates rapidly. E) There is no vaccine or real treatment

87 posted on 04/28/2003 9:56:11 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: friendly
Very bad news for the world economy.. The Hong Kong folks are suffering greatly for Mainland corruption and dishonesty. I suspect a vastly larger nunber of deaths in the Mainland than have heretofore been revealed.

That is what I have suspected, for the past two weeks....I hope I am wrong....

88 posted on 04/28/2003 10:00:01 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: _Jim
In Hong Kong, they sealed buildings, sent people to isolation, sold out masks, people wear gloves, DVD rentals and instant noodle sales are soaring because everyone is staying in, eateries are thinly settled, hotels are empty - all for a disease that has only hit a few hundred and killed a mere handful. That is "panic" by anybody's measure.

And it has worked. New cases in the last 10 day generation period are running about 100, one fourth what they were at their peak. This is a disease with the potential to spread exponentially, and instead it went linear in 20 days and its absolute rate of transmission has been quartered less than a month later.

Meanwhile in mainland China, they didn't want people to panic, so the told nobody the truth, and they've got 3000 cases and it is still growing exponentially. Sometimes "remaining calm" is just plain stupid. There is nothing to be gained by underreacting to this, beyond a little tourism for a month or two. There is an enourmous upside to overreacting to it - the eventual scale of the epidemic can potentially be lowered by many orders of magnitude.

If you can lose your head while all about are keeping theirs... Works in market bubbles too, by the way.

89 posted on 04/28/2003 10:14:38 PM PDT by JasonC
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boycotts of Chinese-owned businesses and scenes of people walking the streets of Hong Kong wearing surgical masks show that the general public does not understand the real dangers, Baltimore said.

Dr. Ho and the wife of Dr. Baltimore are both ethnic Chinese. They all do biological research, but probably not on anything as infectious as SARS.

90 posted on 04/29/2003 1:03:22 AM PDT by heleny
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Many of those recovered are severely disabled.

For example see the BBC at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2955655.stm

Eyewitness: Vietnam's Sars survivor

Nguyen Thi Men, the only health worker at the centre of Vietnam's Sars outbreak to fall severely ill and survive, tells her story to the BBC Vietnamese Service's Nga Pham. The hospital where I work is pretty small, everything is laid out on a few floors. Normally I only take care of newly born babies, but sometimes when it's busy they ask me to assist the other nurses.

When the American-Chinese patient, Johnny Cheng, first came to the hospital another nurse was looking after him. He showed the usual flu symptoms and we suspected he might have the so-called Hong Kong chicken flu. But what was unusual was that he coughed so much - the whole 40 minutes he was coughing and expelling huge amounts of phlegm.

My whole body was aching, but I told myself it was just fatigue, maybe a cold His health deteriorated quickly overnight. Yet he was still thought to have flu. We didn't take any special preventive measures, as we normally don't wear masks when taking care of flu patients.

They asked me to look after him during a night shift. He was already in a critical condition and had to use a breathing machine. We still didn't know what he had. But then we ourselves began feeling unwell. My whole body was aching, but I told myself it was just fatigue, maybe a cold. I was struggling for about four days until 4 March, when I suddenly felt extremely weak at the end of my shift. They gave me some flu medicine. It didn't help. On the night of 5 March I developed a high fever. So they put me in the hospital together with 10 other staff who had the same symptoms.

The American patient had been transferred to Hong Kong, where he died. We were told we might have contracted something from our contact with him. Only then I began to worry. We were put in an isolated area of the hospital, which remained full at that time. The thing that disturbs me most is my right leg - I can't walk, can't even move the leg without feeling an excruciating pain in my joints When I realised that the illness was infectious I started to panic, as I was worried my family might have caught it from me.

But the whole time I was still hoping that I would recover soon - we didn't know how deadly the virus is. More and more people got infected and had to be hospitalised. The staffing was scarce as most of us were sick. Then my situation started getting worse at an amazing speed. Breathing was difficult and I had to be under a respirator for about 10 days. I was unconscious most of the time.

Now, looking back, everyone says I am lucky because I had been one of the worst cases. I guess I am, as some of my colleagues have already died.

Slow recovery

The luckiest thing is that none of my family got anything from me. My husband, my kids - they are all healthy now. I have been back with them for more than 10 days. My lungs haven't got back to normal and I still feel tight in the chest. But I suffer from a bad insomnia; most nights I can only sleep for a couple hours. My muscles are so weak I can hardly lift anything, and my eyes are swollen and red. I don't have many visitors as most people worry they might catch it from me even though I have been cleared by doctors But the thing that disturbs me most is my right leg. I can't walk, can't even move the leg without feeling an excruciating pain in my joints. I used to be very active, very physical and I did a lot of exercise. I'm training to walk with the help of a physiotherapist and I do it every morning until midday.

I don't have many visitors as most people worry they might catch it from me, even though I have been cleared by doctors. But it's not easy to catch Sars unless you have face to face contact with a very sick patient. To my friends I say: don't stay in an air-conditioned environment, have your windows open, and your house well-ventilated. I have the feeling that the virus dies quickly in open air.

91 posted on 04/29/2003 3:50:18 AM PDT by friendly
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To: goodnesswins
"Ewww...where'd you get THAT statistic?"

Don't remember for sure, probably Science News Magazine.

92 posted on 04/29/2003 6:48:33 AM PDT by blam
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